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iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by javchz »

fastball wrote: post #56

Pretty disingenuous for this guy not to mention the potential benefits of such measures, namely: iPhones become pretty much worthless on the black market, discouraging theft. I'm more worried about someone stealing my phone (where the cost is the whole value of the device) than I am about breaking the phone (usually my fault) where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable.

I can see your point in theory. But I find less "it's not repairable to protect you from thieves", and more in line with Apple wanting to sell you a new phone when you drop it, instead of repair it.

I'm wanna thing there are a lot of better ways to avoid a black market, than creating more e-waste with disposable devices impossible to repair.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by Nextgrid »

jiggawatts wrote: post #62
account-5 wrote: post #30

Yet more reasons why I won't give apple any of my money. I can only see one benefit of this to the consumer. If you maybe happen to be a target of some spy agency who manage to get your phone and need to drop some component into it to spy on you, that isnt going to be easy now. /s Genuinely no need for this other than making apple more money.

Would you rather give your money to Google, the company that is what it is today through turning their users' information into products to sell to the highest bidder? Apple gives a shit about your privacy. Why is that upsetting to you?

You can be both against Apple's anti-repair practices and against Google.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by elzbardico »

huuuz wrote: post #48
jacquesm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'fake' parts aren't 'fake' they are just made by someone else than the OEM. Salvaged parts do not count because for every phone you can fix there is one that you can't. The only proper way is to mandate that phone manufacturers supply original parts to those that need them, but because they'd rather sell you a new phone they don't. One important reason why you want that original part and not a salvaged or non-OEM one…

I call them fake because they are always of a lower quality, and on top of that sellers pretend that they are selling you an original part (check eBay, AliExpress...). I see your point, but I don't like the idea of forcing companies to sell you things they don't want to.

Exactly. If most people wanted that there will be a company somewhere gobbling market share by selling an easily repairable phone. But most people think repair ability is nice to have not a priority

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by Nextgrid »

huuuz wrote: post #45
jacquesm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not without repairs.

You can have it repaired using fake parts or parts salvaged from broken iPhones. If it breaks, that is. If the phone doesn't break during the two year warranty period, I've found that it's unlikely to break later on. (you have to treat it well, of course...)

The reason the parts are "fake" is because of Apple's stance on repair. There's no technical reason why Apple can't sell parts at a fair price.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by elzbardico »

account-5 wrote: post #30

Yet more reasons why I won't give apple any of my money. I can only see one benefit of this to the consumer. If you maybe happen to be a target of some spy agency who manage to get your phone and need to drop some component into it to spy on you, that isnt going to be easy now. /s Genuinely no need for this other than making apple more money.

That’s a sane answer. I don’t care about that stuff and value other stuff more, so I buy from Apple. You don’t, you don’t buy from Apple, but from another company. And unless Apple starts paying me money to be an Apple evangelist, I have no reason to try to convince you wrong.

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Post by elzbardico »

Nextgrid wrote: post #80
StringyBob wrote: post #15

So - if I followed that correctly the parts you can’t change are the front-camera assembly that includes faceID sensor, and the screen that includes the touch panel (that you use to enter passwords and PINs). I would assume Apple’s justification is that this is to meet security requirements, particularly given a phone is now commonly used for contactless payments.

The actual authentication & crypto is happening inside the main SOC. The Face ID sensor is (or should be) just a dumb camera - there's no reason for it to be part of the chain of trust.

Of course there is. That’s how you avoid replay attacks.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by celsoazevedo »

jiggawatts wrote: post #62
account-5 wrote: post #30

Yet more reasons why I won't give apple any of my money. I can only see one benefit of this to the consumer. If you maybe happen to be a target of some spy agency who manage to get your phone and need to drop some component into it to spy on you, that isnt going to be easy now. /s Genuinely no need for this other than making apple more money.

Would you rather give your money to Google, the company that is what it is today through turning their users' information into products to sell to the highest bidder? Apple gives a shit about your privacy. Why is that upsetting to you?

> Apple gives a shit about your privacy.

Do they really give a shit about your privacy though? They mess with 3rd parties (eg: Facebook), but Apple itself seems to be happy to collect data about you and your devices, not use end-to-end encryption for many of their services, scan content on your device, etc.

Maybe they're better than Google, but I wouldn't say that they give a shit about my privacy.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by luegen »

djanogo wrote: post #21

I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…

That's more an issue with certain online market and monopolists. If there is a diversity of products and reliable reviews and reputation systems due to different markets competing in this regards, then you can trust to get the parts that you want.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by luegen »

csomar wrote: post #46

I'm a bit torn about this. I think a good compromise is for Apple to offer selling "genuine parts" to anyone who practically wants it; and maybe, allow changing parts once the main owner release control. Apple's devices are quite expensive. iCloud locking have made them worth less in the black-market, but the components are still worth something. This will make Apple's devices worth next to nothing in the black marke…

Petty theft is more an issue of economic inequality. If the criminal had an incentive for being honorable citizens, then theft would not happen.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by makeitdouble »

elzbardico wrote: post #74
turbinerneiter wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I support right to repair, but ONLY with genuine parts with warranty. Why? Why can't I make that decision myself? If I'm fine with a cheaper display, why should apple disallow me from doing that? If they sold their spare parts in their own store, everyone could make the decision whether they want genuine or 3rd party replacement parts themselves. The phone could tell you when the part is not genuine, so you could g…

Because what is a personal optimum not always is a collective optimum. One of the things that I like on iPhones is their high resale value. A lot of iPhone users trade their old phones for new ones. I voluntarily choose for that by switching from Android to Apple.

Are you saying that your personal optimum for resale value primes over the collective optimum of having a replacement parts ecosystem ?
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