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Can you buy location data for all registered lobbyists?

I'll chip in if it contains the unregistered ones in there. I'd trade my flat for all transactions involving everyone in the medical field (in UK) for the past 4 years(including relatives and friends). If only location data is available... I'll do with that.

Why the medical field?

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Can you buy location data for all registered lobbyists?

This is actually a great hacktivism idea! It could include all influential people who are enablers of today's system, such as regulators and politicians.

Is it legal to publicly disclose this data, or is it only legal to collect and sell it?

The one potential obstacle is that the shady 3p data brokers might refuse to sell it if they smell the purpose.

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This is a layered problem; Apple and Google (for better and worse) are best positioned to deal with the app ecosystem. But there's the mobile provider piece of this -- the tower knows where you are because currently it has to, and the network providers are part of this location data market, selling location data for everyone, whether they use leaky apps or not. This is worse with 5G due to smaller cells and thus fine…

> But there's the mobile provider piece of this

Google and Apple have a much higher precision for your location, unless you are being very careful.

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It is mainly used by hedge funds. I have heard it is used by some marketing firms, I have heard that some corporates use it for data on their own properties/competitors (the former may not be obvious, but some malls may do this to check on tenants, malls also usually have their own tracking stuff on site too btw) but the main user are hedge funds. Not all of this data is useful by itself but it is useful once you int…

What do hedge funds do with location data?

Footfall for retail, property, also could be useful with commodities.

But they have other data: they have your bills, emails, app usage data...again, not sure how legal it is or whether some of this isn't hacked data (App Annie is a, presumably, legal source...but there are far more).

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> How can I stop companies from getting my location data? The steps they list only cover gps data. In my final year at uni, during the capstone fair, I recall one group built a tracking system that relied on Bluetooth or wifi or something (maybe cellular signals?) to identify and track people indoors. I think they pitched it to be used in malls or airports, but really could work anywhere. It was surprisingly robust.…

This stopped working a lot of years ago, both Android and iOS are randomizing the MAC addresses.

Depending on when they randomize you may still be able to track.

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> How can I stop companies from getting my location data? The steps they list only cover gps data. In my final year at uni, during the capstone fair, I recall one group built a tracking system that relied on Bluetooth or wifi or something (maybe cellular signals?) to identify and track people indoors. I think they pitched it to be used in malls or airports, but really could work anywhere. It was surprisingly robust.…

This stopped working a lot of years ago, both Android and iOS are randomizing the MAC addresses.

For what it’s worth, I’ve been using their bluetooth addresses to track my flatmate’s and my Apple watches for about the last eighteen months (obvs with knowledge and consent from both of us), just to determine whether we’re inside or outside the apartment and trigger some home assistant scripts when we leave/arrive.

Our watches haven’t changed their their bluetooth addresses during that time.

(The detection is accomplished by having a raspberry pi periodically call `hcitool name ` and checking whether it gets a response)

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It is mainly used by hedge funds. I have heard it is used by some marketing firms, I have heard that some corporates use it for data on their own properties/competitors (the former may not be obvious, but some malls may do this to check on tenants, malls also usually have their own tracking stuff on site too btw) but the main user are hedge funds. Not all of this data is useful by itself but it is useful once you int…

What do hedge funds do with location data?

Speculation but they could geofence individual home addresses and stores and generate a list of customers/employees, use the phone locations at 3am to get home addresses and the location during business hours to predict whether (say) Walmart traffic was up or down vs Target. They could also figure out who works at Walmart/Target and track shift hours, headcount etc. and predict earnings.

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Your shoes could have embedded RFID tags (perhaps originally intended as a payment/anti-theft method by the store you bought them from) that can be used to fingerprint/track you everywhere.

There is zero chance a company would get away with that. Someone will find out their shoes have a pcb and battery in them.

no battery for RFID, it works by getting revved up with induced current from a varying magnetic field

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It is mainly used by hedge funds. I have heard it is used by some marketing firms, I have heard that some corporates use it for data on their own properties/competitors (the former may not be obvious, but some malls may do this to check on tenants, malls also usually have their own tracking stuff on site too btw) but the main user are hedge funds. Not all of this data is useful by itself but it is useful once you int…

What do hedge funds do with location data?

https://www.unacast.com/post/hedge-fund-location-data

> Modeling consumer behavior and forecasting future financial performance based on foot traffic and POI data;

> Evaluating and managing real estate asset portfolios based on migration patterns;

> Conducting trade area analysis for new investment opportunities;

> Leveraging property-level insights to build more specific insurance risk assessments; and

> Assessing sector and competitor performance.

Note that this is the words of the data broker itself. This one in particular doesn't appear to sell individual data, but rather aggregates by age/county/census group/income etc. It appears as most of their source data is mobile/app based.

I'd not be surprised if fraud is common among data miners and brokers - it'd be easy to inflate numbers in order to make more $.

Feeding the data miners with fake data would probably be relatively easy to pull off - say you just bought a house in a remote area and you want some new shops to open and the price of your house to go up..

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Not nearly to the same degree of confidence/precision and without easy access by Google/Apple/Facebook/Advertising networks to this data.

They are accurate to the tower which is far too accurate for comfort.

Possibly more accurate, due to triangulation between multiple towers.
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