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S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by No1 »

tw04 wrote: post #101
pocketarc wrote: post #37

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It really is wild. ISPs have been overselling "unlimited" connections for forever, and being paid for it, but when their customers actually want to use literally the service they paid for, _legally_, it's somehow wrong? I guess that's the thing with Netflix though, it's torrent-like traffic, but legal, so there's no excuse to stop it and they have to come up with something. "oh they're generating explosive traffic th…

The thing that's most ridiculous about this is that the bandwidth is essentially "free" for SK telecom. They sit a netflix caching server in their network and the traffic never leaves. Other than the cost of switch ports (which are dirt cheap relatively speaking) they have absolutely 0 overhead beyond power and cooling for the netflix box which again with their user count is a rounding error. I'm not sure if the lawm…

There would be a caching server inside SK Telecom's network if SK didn't demand payment from Netflix to provide SK the caching server.

"But SK Broadband demanded that Netflix pay network usage fees on top of installing those caches. The streaming service sued the telco, and that case is pending — Netflix told us that it would continue negotiations even as it made its case in court."

Alternatively, they would peer with SK Telecom but "SK was demanding large content providers money for peering with them."

https://www.medianama.com/2020/08/223-net-neutrality-south-k...

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Post by ev1 »

simonh wrote: post #40
3pt14159 wrote: post #6

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This is basically how the internet works though, isn't it? Your network and my network have parties interested in each others data. If parts of your network are generating traffic that I don't think is reasonable then I can either disable their access or negotiate with you or one of the parties on your network to pay more or I can deny or throttle access to the parties on my network. And a OCA box just makes everythi…

As a consumer I paid my ISP to carry say 50 Gb/s of data. They took my money on the understanding it's their job to carry that data for me. If I only wanted to browse text I wouldn't be paying for 50Gb/s. What did they think I was going to do?

They'd deliver text speeds then tell you to stop complaining because where else can you go while laughing.

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Post by ev1 »

moate wrote: post #133
freemint wrote: post #65

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Nice costumers you have there SK Broadband, would be a shame if your costumers leave you. Oh? They are unlikey with Netflix not in a monthly cancelable contract but Internet plans generally require contracts of 2 to 3 years in South Korea.

Nice contracts you have there SK Broadband, it would be a shame if your anti-consumer behaviors started to nullify their enforcability...

Nice courts you have there, it would be a shame if they were protected and paid off by the SK Group chaebol

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Post by imbnwa »

One of the things Netflix got right over all its competition was capturing the best international programming, a lot of Netflix's best content in the US has been foreign material like Money Heist, Dark, Squid Game, Peaky Blinders, Green Frontier, the Criminal series, To The Lake, etc

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Post by petre »

dwighttk wrote: post #49
mrpopo wrote: post #29

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If anything, customers should be suing ISPs every time they don't get the expected bandwidth. It's the ISP that fails to deliver according to the contract.

I bet there is fine print that says they are delivering exactly according to the contract

That and also 'reasonable use' clauses.

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Post by pepoluan »

lrem wrote: post #124
jonnat wrote: post #8

> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.

A decade ago I was with an ISP who took a stand for "Google should pay us for the priviledge of having our users watch YouTube". I believe I wasn't the only one who decided that's the last straw and moved to an ISP that wasn't rejecting peering based on greed.

Sounds like an ISP in a monopolistic situation.

When there are alternatives, ISPs would bend over backwards for what customers want.

That are not colluding like a cartel, of course.

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Post by evgen »

ev1 wrote: post #234
moate wrote: post #133

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Nice contracts you have there SK Broadband, it would be a shame if your anti-consumer behaviors started to nullify their enforcability...

Nice courts you have there, it would be a shame if they were protected and paid off by the SK Group chaebol

Nice chaebol you have there, would be a shame if its behavior became the subject of international trade sanctions from the country that is providing you protection against your crazy and heavily armed cousin who lives next door.

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Post by criddell »

int_19h wrote: post #229
criddell wrote: post #191

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I have a Google Fi phone and the data isn't capped, but it's $10 / GB.

Not quite. They have a soft 15 Gb cap, past which they throttle you down significantly but also don't charge you. And then it's $10 / Gb if you want to extend that cap.

There's more than one plan. The one I'm on is $10/GB until you use 6 GB (or $60). You're right though that they slow down after 15 GB (not Gb) but I've never come anywhere near that.

The way I look at it is that my plan is $20 then my data is $1 / 100 MB.

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