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S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by latexr »

injidup wrote: post #39
ojhughes wrote: post #11

Squid Game is one of those shows you can never "unwatch". It's quite harrowing but strangely addictive and a great critique of modern capitalism. Strongly recommended if you have the stomach for it

I'm dubious of this common posture of "horrible violence in entertainment" is ok because it's a critique of XYZ. It's like "free guy" (spoiler boring) tries to be a critique of video Game violence by positing the existence of another gaming reality where people are nice to each other. But this other reality is just a Macguffin. We come to watch the violence and mayhem and we come to watch squid game for the same reas…

> I'm dubious of this common posture of "horrible violence in entertainment" is ok because it's a critique of XYZ.

The comment you’re replying to says the show is harrowing and a critique. There’s no “because” or apologia.

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by yunohn »

wodenokoto wrote: post #45

A lot of commentors here are defending that netflix shouldn't pay data charges. I don't know how internet prices works for big players, but from the perspective of a little guy, it seems kinda reasonable that netlflix pay, doesn't it? I mean, why am I paying for bandwidth on AWS? Shouldn't that be paid for by the downloading party? If I download something from my neighbors computer over a p2p app, then we both still…

> why am I paying for bandwidth on AWS?

That’s a great question; it’s because cloud providers have conditioned you to believe their rent-seeking is necessary.

See Cloudflare R2 vs AWS S3: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28702997

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by ksec »

codetrotter wrote: post #5

> Netflix said it will review SK Broadband's claim, and seek dialogue and explore ways in the meantime to work with SK Broadband to ensure customers are not affected. In other words, they will ship some Open Connect Appliance boxes to the ISP. https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/ And that’s nice for everyone. Some think it’s unfair that big players like Netflix can do so. But I think them doing that is far far better…

My question is why Open Connect Appliance wasn't even in their network in the first place?

I mean there are only a few ISP in every country. SK Broadband isn't small either it is something like 25% of market share. If I remember correctly Korean Telecom was 50% and LG was something like 15%. SK Telecom is also the largest MNO is South Korea. And if you are into hardware you may have at least heard of SK Hynix, world's third largest NAND manufacture.

Normally being a Korean conglomerate or Chaebol I would have thought SK must have some subsidiary competing with Netflix. But this doesn't seems to be the case here.

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by freemint »

evgen wrote: post #31
apex_sloth wrote: post #2

Nice subscription service you have there Netflix, would be a shame if your customers couldn't view it.

Nice ISP you have there SK Broadband, would be a shame if your users could not access one of the most popular sites on the internet.

Nice costumers you have there SK Broadband, would be a shame if your costumers leave you. Oh? They are unlikey with Netflix not in a monthly cancelable contract but Internet plans generally require contracts of 2 to 3 years in South Korea.

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Post by Genmutant »

ninjinxo wrote: post #18

Similarly, Australia had problems when Netflix was first becoming popular here, putting huge strains on the network and causing widespread congestion issues from 6 to 10 pm. I wonder if we'll ever see a predictive home-caching system; if I watch the first three episodes of squid game in one night, it might be sensible to have my TV download the rest of the series overnight.

Doesn't the Netflix app already do that? Or was that the Prime Video one?

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Post by justshowpost »

SK Broadband's customers should be suing. The only guilt of Netflix (besides selling down-level show at rip-off price) is what their action helped to reveal SK Broadband can not actually service their customers with agreed bandwidth (and no, its ISP's sole responsibility to pay their uplink for required bandwidth). I'm pretty sure the problem was well known to geek minority, just this streaming spike uncovered the problem to general public.

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Post by nsoxo »

yunohn wrote: post #58
nsoxo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix is pushing data AND you are pulling it.

Nobody says that a bullock cart involves the bullock pulling the cart and the cart pushing the bullock. That’s only a physics framing.

This is commerce. It's a transaction. Both parties benefit.

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by sodality2 »

ksec wrote: post #64
codetrotter wrote: post #5

> Netflix said it will review SK Broadband's claim, and seek dialogue and explore ways in the meantime to work with SK Broadband to ensure customers are not affected. In other words, they will ship some Open Connect Appliance boxes to the ISP. https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/ And that’s nice for everyone. Some think it’s unfair that big players like Netflix can do so. But I think them doing that is far far better…

My question is why Open Connect Appliance wasn't even in their network in the first place? I mean there are only a few ISP in every country. SK Broadband isn't small either it is something like 25% of market share. If I remember correctly Korean Telecom was 50% and LG was something like 15%. SK Telecom is also the largest MNO is South Korea. And if you are into hardware you may have at least heard of SK Hynix, world'…

I wouldn't be surprised if the normal bandwidth is able to be handled by existing connections, rather than the boxes with the ISP's. Is netflix super popular in Korea?

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Post by smhost »

IMTDb wrote: post #36
wccrawford wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just realized: By this same logic, end-users should be paid by advertisers for the bandwidth they were forced to consume for their ads. I bet that wouldn't go over nearly as well as this.

They are: the advertisers pays for the service users are consuming. The "free with advertising" business model is an efficient version of Advertisers give money to users give money to content provider Where money given to the users == money given to the content provider

> They are: the advertisers pays for the service users are consuming

and the users pay for the service the advertisers are consuming.

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