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S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge from 'Squid Game'

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Post by jedberg »

niemandhier wrote: post #32

I think it becomes easier to think about this, if I frame the problem in terms of more tangible objects than bandwidth and data. The public street network is in large parts paid for by taxes, so for everyone access to the network is already payed for. If I now envision a single company blocking all streets with its giant truck fleet, I could completely understand a motion to introduce a new form of toll to be payed b…

This already happens. The big trucks are UPS and FedEx and Amazon. This companies already pay to maintain their trucks, which includes taxes for road maintenance through gas tax and registration fees.

Those trucks are only on the road because all the people in the houses keep ordering stuff online.

Should FedEx/UPS/Amazon have to pay an extra tax just because they are popular with the people? The homeowners already pay taxes to maintain the roads to their houses. Why should the city get extra from the trucking companies?

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Post by EmilioMartinez »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #181
EmilioMartinez wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really sounds like a waste of time and money though. What judge would ever side with them? I would fire a lawyer that even proposes that seriously

Judges implement the law though, so if the contract says "no business use" and this was made clear at the time of purchase -- eg by having business level accounts -- then what can the judge do? It's for the legislators to legislate, not the judges (under English law (UK), common law and equity aside). Actual, I might be wrong here with how contact law is handled ... anyone? A related consideration: when we moved into…

I meant specifically in the context of a pandemic when working from home is state mandated in many parts of the world. Arguably even constitutions have been bent.

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Post by jandrese »

xattt wrote: post #127
sandworm101 wrote: post #122

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>> it's torrent-like traffic, but legal, There is nothing illegal about torrent traffic any more than any other form of traffic. "It's streaming-like, but legal." "It's VPN-like, but legal." "It's cyptolocker-like, but legal." "It's SSL-like, but legal." "It's Tor-like, but legal."

It’s unreasonable to the bottom line of the ISP because it’s high demand on an oversubscribed network. Torrents used to be a convenient scapegoat because they were more than likely carrying content that was infringing copyright. I am surprised that ISPs haven’t started cracking down on WfH, and start saying it violates their TOC because this is a business use. Public uproar would be immense.

Back in the day my ISP had a "Can not be used for business traffic or a corporate VPN" line in the TOS. I have doubts they ever tried to enforce it.

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Post by jandrese »

thedougd wrote: post #97
jonnat wrote: post #8

> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.

Time to bring back ISP shaming. Netflix would notify Verizon users in the app that Verizon's slow peering was degrading their watch experience. https://bgr.com/general/netflix-vs-verizon-network/

This was one of the first wins for IPv6. I had a Hurricane Electric tunnel on my FiOS link and was able to bypass the bottleneck that Verizon set up for Netflix.

Now Netflix blocks Hurricane Electric endpoints and FiOS still doesn't support IPv6. We're nearing the 10 year anniversary of that "coming soon" FAQ entry on their webpage.

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Post by drcode »

injidup wrote: post #39
ojhughes wrote: post #11

Squid Game is one of those shows you can never "unwatch". It's quite harrowing but strangely addictive and a great critique of modern capitalism. Strongly recommended if you have the stomach for it

I'm dubious of this common posture of "horrible violence in entertainment" is ok because it's a critique of XYZ. It's like "free guy" (spoiler boring) tries to be a critique of video Game violence by positing the existence of another gaming reality where people are nice to each other. But this other reality is just a Macguffin. We come to watch the violence and mayhem and we come to watch squid game for the same reas…

The violence is OK because Squid Games is awesome. The social critique is merely a bonus.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

pocketarc wrote: post #37
jonnat wrote: post #8

> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.

It really is wild. ISPs have been overselling "unlimited" connections for forever, and being paid for it, but when their customers actually want to use literally the service they paid for, _legally_, it's somehow wrong? I guess that's the thing with Netflix though, it's torrent-like traffic, but legal, so there's no excuse to stop it and they have to come up with something. "oh they're generating explosive traffic th…

Yeah, these companies sell unlimited connections despite not having the capacity to deliver and then have the gall to be offended when we start using what we pay for. Based on their marketing I should be entirely justified if I wanted to saturate their links at maximum speed 24/7. They assume most people won't do it but they deserve absolutely no sympathy when their assumptions are proven wrong.

Lashing out at Netflix and bringing them to court for their own failings is such an absurd course of action. They should try upgrading their networks instead so that their service stops sucking.

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Post by monocasa »

1001101 wrote: post #200
ryanlol wrote: post #194

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There’s nothing interesting here. What are you going to achieve by stealing the certificate for edge0.sktelecom.geo.netflixcdn.com from the box you already have access to? There’s no reason to put *.netflix.com certs on the edge caches.

Could be in a TPM as well.

TPMs are pretty slow; the LPC bus they sit off of is basically run at ISA bus speeds.

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Post by eximius »

xwdv wrote: post #188
MereInterest wrote: post #48

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> maybe if you push a lot of data That's leads to a pretty simple conclusion, because Netflix doesn't push any data. I pull data from Netflix. I have already paid my ISP to pull data from anywhere I ask. If my ISP sits down at a negotiating table with Netflix and threatens to disrupt that, they should be laughed out of the room. "Pay me, or else I'm going to break my obligations to an unrelated third party." isn't a…

What if the ISP holds a powerful monopoly in some regions? Should we still be laughing?

No, you grab metaphorical pitchforks.

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Post by monocasa »

moate wrote: post #133
freemint wrote: post #65

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Nice costumers you have there SK Broadband, would be a shame if your costumers leave you. Oh? They are unlikey with Netflix not in a monthly cancelable contract but Internet plans generally require contracts of 2 to 3 years in South Korea.

Nice contracts you have there SK Broadband, it would be a shame if your anti-consumer behaviors started to nullify their enforcability...

Lol, in SK? Not a chance.

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Post by zamadatix »

c12 wrote: post #153
thedougd wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time to bring back ISP shaming. Netflix would notify Verizon users in the app that Verizon's slow peering was degrading their watch experience. https://bgr.com/general/netflix-vs-verizon-network/

Wasn't this what fast.com was created for?

Fast.com will let you test the idea yourself (if you already know it exists) but it will not proactively notify you otherwise.
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