Live data from Hacker News

Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

klimaticket.at

171–180 of 299 posts

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#171
post #164

This weekend I'll be travelling from Innsbruck to Vienna, a good chunk of the entire length of Austria. I'm not here enough (and not travelling around enough) to be interested in the Klimaticket, but here's how public transport vs car stacks up: Innsbruck to Vienna is 476km (~300mi) by road. It takes about 5 hours to drive, assuming no delays. The way the world is right now, there will certainly be delays. On the fas…

Even during the lockdowns there were times of no checkpoints on the borders again. It was such a relief to finally see them gone. I hope they aren't back again. But yes that is amazing value and travel by train is just nicer.

> Even during the lockdowns there were times of no checkpoints on the borders again. It was such a relief to finally see them gone.

Unstaffed, or actually gone? :)

Last time I drove into Austria from Germany there were no border guards there to actually check anything, but all the traffic calming measures, warning signs and speed restrictions were still there ("cars use left-hand lane, larger/freight vehicles right hand lane").

As one might expect from Homo sapiens behind the wheel, the frantic changing of lanes by vehicles approaching the (unmanned) checkpoint caused an enormous queue and resulting delay almost as bad as if there had been border guards actually checking every single vehicle.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#172

Very expensive. AFAIK it's under €150/y in the neighbor Czechia (but it doesn't include inter-city trains).

We do have many regional tickets and only the most expensive ones (over 26yrs and not senoir) even cost 365€ per year. You also have to take cost of living / pay grade and quality of service into account.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#173
post #84

I see a detrimental incentive here. Let me explain, and then someone please show me what I'm not getting. We're trying to incentivize public over private transit because the former emits less carbon (in general). However, public transit still costs carbon, so taking less trips total seems to be better for the environment (the "reduce" part of "reduce, reuse, recycle" - kind of). If the marginal cost to a public trans…

The marginal cost is basically zero per additional public transit user, no? If a city bus runs every 15 minutes, the ridership volume changes nothing up until some critical point is reached where another bus gets added to that route, or a new route is added.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#174
post #149

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

The simplest way is to do what my city (Missoula) did years ago and make the public transportation zero fare for everyone. No more tickets, no more swiping cards, no more concern over who "doesn't deserve" to ride a public resource. This succeeded so well they've even upgraded a number of their buses to be zero-emission as well.

Did it come with a tax increase? Was everyone happy about that? If it didn't come with a tax increase then what funding was cut for this public transport? It's easy to look at a success when you're only looking at the beneficial side, but don't look at the cost.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#175
post #25
post #3

This should be the preferred way to ride all local transit systems. One price for the whole family, ride as much as you want for the month (I think month is better then year - easier to budget, and if you move you are not out as much). If people aren't willing to pay for the pass, your system isn't useful and you need to fix that. Because it is unlimited rides people are less likely to think about using the car for t…

Hmmm, problem is if it would be the dominant way of buying tickets the transport organisation would loose even more incentive to be customer oriented. Many public transportation companies, for instance Deutche Bahn, are awful and rude. They are often semi-public and semi-monopolistic, imagine paying them a year budget up front, would make things even worse.

People do have options, if service is bad enough they can buy a car. (I don't want them to, but they can). Or vote for politicians who will do something about it (I'd prefer transit was entirely private, but for a number of reasons that isn't possible anymore)

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#176
post #157

I'm an American who studied abroad in France for a bit a decade ago and did a little traveling around Europe, including to Austria. The Austrian train system was the best by far even without Klimaticket. Specifically, you bought a ticket that entitled you to a set number of kilometers and you could use it any time in the month. Moreover, the trains actually ran on time and customer service was helpful. By comparison,…

I'm sorry for your experience in France. French people are not really friendly to strangers (not in a racist way, more in a "i don't even know what language this stranger is talking"). I'm 50% sure the locker staff didn't even understand what you wanted from them and just reacted with stress. But Paris have the reputation to be pretty hostile, even to the rest of french population. Our other cities are much more open…

> I'm sorry for your experience in France. French people are not really friendly to strangers (not in a racist way, more in a "i don't even know what language this stranger is talking"). I'm 50% sure the locker staff didn't even understand what you wanted from them and just reacted with stress.

To be clear, I was speaking French, and by that time my French pronunciation was good enough that everyone could understand me without extra effort (probably no longer true). In my experience, the French were quite warm when they weren't "on the job". For example, my French classmates (even those I didn't know well) were happy to help me navigate campus and answer questions and so on.

> But Paris have the reputation to be pretty hostile, even to the rest of french population. Our other cities are much more open and friendly.

It could definitely be regional, but most of my experiences were actually in Rennes and Nantes (not Paris)--although on one visit to Nantes, there was a big protest by farmers over the construction of an airport which probably had people a little more aggravated than normal: the farmers were deliberately blocking traffic with their tractors, including dumping large piles of dirt in certain intersections which was an interesting sight to behold until some anarchists came and started setting fires and otherwise behaving dangerously.

> Our countryside is also pretty friendly but don't expect anyone there to understand you but at least they'll friendly try to fake that they can.

My school was actually in rural Rennes (ENSAI) near the village of Bruz--I only spoke French because I had quite a few experiences where people would be angry or annoyed if I asked if they spoke English. Almost every time I tried to call and order a taxi in English (when I first arrived, before my French was very good), we would make the appointment, but the taxi wouldn't show up (very stressful because I was poor and very worried that I would miss a train or flight because the taxi didn't show up). One of my English classmates suggested I start making the appointments in French, and then the taxi showed up every time!

But in general I didn't mind having to speak French--I know if you walked up to an American and started speaking French they would probably be annoyed as well, and generally I feel like if you're living in a country you should make every effort to speak the language (and I wanted to learn the language better anyway--that was one of my goals for studying abroad).

Even though I had bad experiences, I still like France and the French, and my wife and I have since gone back and visited Paris once because we now have "fuck you" money (which is to say, we don't have to beg and plead for help, we can afford to miss a flight here and there). We also ate breakfast at a charming little cafe near our AirBnB in the 17th every morning, and contrary to my other anecdotes, the staff were very friendly. :)

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#177

This weekend I'll be travelling from Innsbruck to Vienna, a good chunk of the entire length of Austria. I'm not here enough (and not travelling around enough) to be interested in the Klimaticket, but here's how public transport vs car stacks up: Innsbruck to Vienna is 476km (~300mi) by road. It takes about 5 hours to drive, assuming no delays. The way the world is right now, there will certainly be delays. On the fas…

I think your car is completely flexible too? It can also leave and arrive anywhere you want.

Cost may be a bit higher though. You’re liable to burn through 30ish liters of fuel at a price of around €50.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#178

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

Here in Berlin the idea floating around is to make yearly tickets very cheap (365€), while keeping prices for single travel (2.80€) or daily tickets (9.50€) more expensive. That's probably the easiest, least bureaucratic route to go. For poorer households, the yearly ticket will still be subsidized, but the public transport companies (fully owned by the state) will still have direct income to maintain a corporate-lik…

Considering that single travel tickets cost 3€ at the moment, and yearly ones 730€, that would be a godsend. One can also hope that one day they'll allow traveling on a single ticket for the full two hours, not just for one journey. However, it's unlikely the BVG will ever budge on pricing.

Earlier this year, there were rumors of a cheaper "Homeoffice-Ticket" which would only be valid on certain days, and in the end nothing came out of it either.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#179
post #162

In Germany the "Bahncard 100" has been available for years. It costs 4,027 Euro/yr (2. class) or 6,812 Euro/yr (1. class) for infinte train rides with Deutsche Bahn and a lot of local transport associations.[1] Since Germany is about four times as big as Austria the price is comparable to the Klimaticket, if one is really travelling a lot of long distances. For smaller areas the situation is very complicated. Almost…

In the Klimaticket, all public transport is included. Cities as well as inter cities

To add to that, until now there is the ÖBB Österreichcard which allows infinite train rides on all ÖBB trains. It's about 2000€. Now it will be replaced by this Klimaticket.
Post reply on HN