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Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#51

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

Free public transit for people who file taxes makes so much sense. The time and money costs of collecting fares is far to high.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#52

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

If you go that far, why stop there? What's the reason to have all the expenses and effort of fare collection if you're only going to collect fares from the occasional users of the system and not the daily users?

If you're going to make it free for all residents, you might as well just make it free for everyone.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#53
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> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

I mean this is Europe, and there's much less "this is unfair" versus "we are in this together".

Even on public transport, longer commutes are relatively environmentally unfriendly when compared to shorter commutes (in the medium-to-long run). So regardless of individualism, it would generally be a public benefit to encourage shorter commutes.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#54

I'm an American who studied abroad in France for a bit a decade ago and did a little traveling around Europe, including to Austria. The Austrian train system was the best by far even without Klimaticket. Specifically, you bought a ticket that entitled you to a set number of kilometers and you could use it any time in the month. Moreover, the trains actually ran on time and customer service was helpful. By comparison,…

> As a parenthetical, when I was planning to fly to Austria from Paris, I put my luggage in a 24-hour locker in Gare du Nord the evening before the early-morning flight, but the room the locker was in was closed from 10pm to 6am and the flight left CDG at 7am, so I was devastated when I had to eat the cost of the flight ticket. I begged the staff to unlock the door for me in my best, most polite French, but they would invariably say "c'est impossible"

Hm, was in a very similar situation at a Greyhound station in Merced when I returned from a hike through Yosemite. I had parked half of my luggage in a locker at the bus station when I took the shuttle serve to the park (which ended up with me having to put the snow chains on the shuttle bus since the driver had never performed that task...). When I returned to the station and wanted to retrieve my luggage to take the Greyhound which would eventually take me to the airport so I could catch my flight back to the Netherlands the station was closed, and would remain closed until past my bus department time. There was a cleaner in the station who I eventually managed to persuade to open the door... otherwise I would have missed the bus, which would have made me miss my flight. Since then I have made sure to check opening times on buildings containing luggage storage to avoid these problems.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#55

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

Here in Berlin the idea floating around is to make yearly tickets very cheap (365€), while keeping prices for single travel (2.80€) or daily tickets (9.50€) more expensive. That's probably the easiest, least bureaucratic route to go.

For poorer households, the yearly ticket will still be subsidized, but the public transport companies (fully owned by the state) will still have direct income to maintain a corporate-like structure.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#56
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Ok, so the Austrian version costs less than a third of that for a considerably larger country. And the public transportation system is pretty good in Austria too...

In Germany it's also around 4k. EUR 4,027 for the BahnCard 100. We're much bigger than Switzerland, though. https://www.bahn.com/en/offers/bahncard/bahncard_100-conditi... EDIT: I can't find info on whether the German one covers city transportation... maybe it doesn't! - EDIT2: It does according to reply!

It covers most local transportation, but not all.

> The BahnCard 100 is also valid within the City-Ticket zone of all towns and cities covered by the City-Ticket offering

City ticket coverage: https://www.bahn.com/en/offers/tickets-for-local-transport

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#58

Some context here: previously there was no single ticket you could get for public transport in Austria like you could in Switzerland. There was a yearly ticket for the national rail services but that was it. With this ticket you can hop into any public transport now from long distance rail to local city trams.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

> If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass...

In that case you would not buy this pass, instead opting for a local or regional pass or one tailored to that specific commute.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#59

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

Maybe introduce a gradual shift instead over 50 years or so: with each next year taking the originally expected profits of public transport and gradually add those as taxes for cars while at the same time also reducing the current public transport ticket prices? At the end of those 50 years public transportation could be free and the stubborn car owners or businesses would simply help subsidize more efficient ways of…

Except we don't have anything like 50 years!

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

#60

If it's really also for long distance rail, that's a lot of value. For comparison, the German Railway has something similar (but I think only for the railway) and it costs easily 3x as much. It's a bigger country but regardless. I live and work in a smaller city where I don't really need public transport, but when I was working in a city near me, the monthly ticket for the two cities was more than this. I don't know…

Deutsche Bahn's BahnCard 100 [1] is around 4k euros per year and gives unlimited access to all DB trains as well as a city pass to around 110 towns in Germany. The city pass does't help if you have to commute to a suburb, but it's still pretty useful (though pricey) IMO. >but when I was working in a city near me, the monthly ticket for the two cities was more than this I commute between Cologne and Aachen, and the mo…

I live in a city way smaller than Cologne or Aachen and my commute was only 20 mins so it's not surprising that the price was much cheaper in my case. I've never heard of the job ticket so it maybe doesn't exist everywhere or at least not back then.

But anyway that's one of the things that annoy me, all these options that I need to know. I went with my son, we got normal tickets and then somebody told me to get ticket X instead which is more expensive, but I can take kids for free.

So this type of a ticket would solve a lot of problems and make it real easy for people to just ride.

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