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Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by bmicraft »

rob74 wrote: post #17

Er... sounds good, but first they say "All public transport in Austria with a single ticket", and later "...in a specific area for a year: regional, cross-regional and nationwide". And after that, there is only one price (with various rebates) listed for the "Klimaticket Ö". Are there cheaper versions planned which are limited to e.g. one ("regional") or two ("cross-regional") states (Bundesländer)? I checked the Ger…

The original idea by our green party was a "1-2-3 Ticket" which means 365€ for one state, double for two states, and triple for all states (per year for all public transport).

They just renamed the "3" ticket to climate ticket when they introduced it, meanwhile work on "1" and "2" is still ongoing in some places afaik.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by bkfh »

Archelaos wrote: post #145

In Germany the "Bahncard 100" has been available for years. It costs 4,027 Euro/yr (2. class) or 6,812 Euro/yr (1. class) for infinte train rides with Deutsche Bahn and a lot of local transport associations.[1] Since Germany is about four times as big as Austria the price is comparable to the Klimaticket, if one is really travelling a lot of long distances. For smaller areas the situation is very complicated. Almost…

In the Klimaticket, all public transport is included. Cities as well as inter cities

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by mellavora »

cletus wrote: post #140

Why should public transport cost anything at all? I mean, what's the point? You might say the service costs money. It does. The ticket prices never cover that so you're already running at a loss. You spend money on enforcement, payment and ticket machines and you reduce usage of the service. But here's the more important point: cars are already subsidized to a huge degree pretty much everywhere through roads, parking…

That's what Luxembourg did. Works great!

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by jahnu »

logifail wrote: post #156

This weekend I'll be travelling from Innsbruck to Vienna, a good chunk of the entire length of Austria. I'm not here enough (and not travelling around enough) to be interested in the Klimaticket, but here's how public transport vs car stacks up: Innsbruck to Vienna is 476km (~300mi) by road. It takes about 5 hours to drive, assuming no delays. The way the world is right now, there will certainly be delays. On the fas…

Even during the lockdowns there were times of no checkpoints on the borders again. It was such a relief to finally see them gone. I hope they aren't back again.

But yes that is amazing value and travel by train is just nicer.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by lbriner »

ratww wrote: post #131
lbriner wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK, most people who are employed do not file taxes, they are handled by the employer. Other people whose only income is benefits also do not file taxes.

I think it's safe to assume that GPs suggestion includes people who are paying taxes via the employer or receiving benefits. Also, in lots of countries employers already subsidize public transportation costs.

I read it as a "reward" and incentive for filing taxes in places like the US where everyone has to do it so it wouldn't translate to somewhere that taxes are paid via the employer or people on benefits because then there is no reward.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by bmicraft »

schnevets wrote: post #67

As miserable as public transit is for us in the US, I could actually see this kind of deal succeeding in New York (and neighboring areas of Connecticut and New Jersey). Those in the city are constantly perplexed by the various county-run transit lines and costs, but some kind of single pass would actually make bus lines approachable to visitors (whereas they are only used by those who can't afford a car today). Also,…

This ticket (in Austria specifically) is not a response to covid-19, it has been in the works by our green party for many years now (2013 I think) and negotiations for the country-wide ticket have finally been concluded.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by newsclues »

lbriner wrote: post #75
newsclues wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free public transit for people who file taxes makes so much sense. The time and money costs of collecting fares is far to high.

In the UK, most people who are employed do not file taxes, they are handled by the employer. Other people whose only income is benefits also do not file taxes.

Adjust it based on the country’s tax system, but in Canada it would work because the employed and those on benefits tend to file taxes.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by mellavora »

huhtenberg wrote: post #5
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #2

Some context here: previously there was no single ticket you could get for public transport in Austria like you could in Switzerland. There was a yearly ticket for the national rail services but that was it. With this ticket you can hop into any public transport now from long distance rail to local city trams.

> from long distance rail to local city trams. That's the part that makes a system like this subjectively unfair. If my daily commute is a handful of bus stops and that guy's is a train for an hour from another city, then I am basically funding his commute by overpaying for my pass... even if it's cheaper to ride my bus with a pass than to buy a ticket for every ride. Edit - I read the website as saying that this is…

Hmm, I wonder what I am 'overpaying' by having close to 1/2 of the land area of my town dedicated to cars instead of trees and grass, just so other people can live in the suburbs.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by mellavora »

netfortius wrote: post #29

I like what Montpellier (France) is doing, which is a phased approach towards all public transportation free. For now it's for under 18 yo and 65+ yo, and all weekends for everyone, with a phase 3 total gratuity in 2023. I prefer to choose and accordingly pay for my long distance travels, but in the city trips consume a lot of money, on a personal / family level, which is nice to see reduced. And who doesn't want to…

I like what Luxembourg is doing, which is all public transport free for everyone, across the whole country. No phased approach, they just did it.
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