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Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by lbriner »

sokoloff wrote: post #52
quadrifoliate wrote: post #30

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

If you go that far, why stop there? What's the reason to have all the expenses and effort of fare collection if you're only going to collect fares from the occasional users of the system and not the daily users? If you're going to make it free for all residents, you might as well just make it free for everyone.

When I visited Germany, they had cleverly ditched most "gateline staff" like you say but then had a reasonable number of ticket inspectors who would check you had a ticket and it was stamped for the current day. Best of both worlds?

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by frereubu »

adventured wrote: post #31
scrollaway wrote: post #16

I really want this to exist for Belgium. Right now the public transport prices are absurd here... An all year pass for just the train in all of Belgium ranges in the 10k eur/year, and there is no national metro+bus+tram access (just Brussels is 700 EUR / year for that with no access to other cities). It's absurd and caused by fragmentation of services between Flanders, wallonia and Brussels with no coordination betwe…

As an American I had always heard that public transportation was super inexpensive in essentially all of Western Europe. Is that not the case generally?

Train travel in the UK is absurdly expensive unless you're willing to book a few months in advance and travel off-peak. Train travel in Spain is much better and cheaper. AFAIK in terms of price it mostly has to do with how much governments are willing to subsidise rail transport.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by southerntofu »

bluGill wrote: post #3

This should be the preferred way to ride all local transit systems. One price for the whole family, ride as much as you want for the month (I think month is better then year - easier to budget, and if you move you are not out as much). If people aren't willing to pay for the pass, your system isn't useful and you need to fix that. Because it is unlimited rides people are less likely to think about using the car for t…

> One price for the whole family

Why not make it free? It's a public service after all, and it's hard to "abuse" transportation like one can use "too much" free water/electricity.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by lbriner »

newsclues wrote: post #51
quadrifoliate wrote: post #30

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

Free public transit for people who file taxes makes so much sense. The time and money costs of collecting fares is far to high.

In the UK, most people who are employed do not file taxes, they are handled by the employer. Other people whose only income is benefits also do not file taxes.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by [deleted] »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #30

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by cutler »

That's £936 which buys you 5.5 monthly Oyster travel cards in London for zones 1-3. Rip-off Britain, anyone? I've been to Austria 3 times in the last 10 years and every time I come away with the impression that the UK is a backwards, impoverished nation in comparison. The sense of civic pride in Austria and Germany is the first thing you notice, especially the management of rents and planning standards.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by southerntofu »

rory wrote: post #53
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean this is Europe, and there's much less "this is unfair" versus "we are in this together".

Even on public transport, longer commutes are relatively environmentally unfriendly when compared to shorter commutes (in the medium-to-long run). So regardless of individualism, it would generally be a public benefit to encourage shorter commutes.

Yes, but it's not exactly that you have a lot of choice for where you work, for example.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by lbriner »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #30

Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

Just remembered another consideration. When Ken Livingstone introduced free transport for school age children in order to remove cars from the school run, it simply meant a load more children who would have traditionally walked or cycled didn't need to because the bus was free.

Commuters were angry as anything that they couldn't get on the buses any more that were picked with children.

Societies are very different around the world and I'm not sure how much this is factored into ideas that could work really well in some places and not so much in others.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Post by MayeulC »

woodlander87 wrote: post #35

I lived in Austria for a couple of years in the late 2000s. They had an under 25 years of age ticket that was similar to this, but was very inexpensive. I think less than 50 Euros. It may have only been during the summer months though. Either way I traveled all over Austria and it cost me almost nothing. Wish I could be 25 again just for that.

I recently discovered that there was such a plan for TER ("slow" regional trains) in France.

https://www.ter.sncf.com/nouvelle-aquitaine/offres/cartes-ab...

29€/month, for july and august. Not sure if they offer it every year, or if that was a 2021 special.

I also recently turned 26...

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