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Or at night, in the dark, unlit two-lane roads of most of Europe?
At night both tail lamps are lit.
Generally it’s best to design vehicle signaling with an assumption that situations are not ideal, just in case.
> Mini has not heard any concerns from customers regarding the rear turn indicators I wouldn't expect them to: they cannot see their own turn signal lights while driving. If they happen to be behind another Mini, they already know about it and it may not throw them off-guard like others who aren't familiar with it.
> they cannot see their own turn signal lights while driving. You are supposed to inspect your car at least from time to time. This includes walking over to see your turn signals work correctly.
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> I suppose the Mini designers have never driven in fog, poor lighting, storms, or at night? (When you might not see the full rear of the car) The full rear of the car is still illuminated.
The comment above is clearly controversial, I can't think of driving at night behind a car and not seeing both rear lights, and usually illuminated license plate and illumination coming from the rear window pane. Overall that gives me a full sense of the width of the car. The indicator light would be relatively to the left/right of the car, and typically would look like a single bulb due to distance and diffraction.
Have you ever driven in a snowstorm at night? (I am not being facetious, there are terrible snowstorms in the winter where I live due to lake-effect snow. Your mileage may vary depending on where you live.)
Visibility is terrible in a nighttime snowstorm.
Reflective surfaces are covered with snow.
Lights can be partially or completely covered so that only a faint glow is visible.
Anything that leads to confusion, such as a backward-pointing arrow turn signal light, could cause confusion that might lead to accidents. It might not confuse some drivers, but it only takes one confused driver to cause a road accident.
> there should be no trouble at all for a driver to understand, when seeing the full rear of the car, which direction is being indicated. This response from Mini presumes drivers have the luxury of using "system 2" logical/analytical reasoning in a hectic realtime environment where they must most rely on "system 1" intuitive reasoning. There needs to be a name for this type design fallacy, because it's not the first…
Thing like turn signals shouldn't make you think - it must be automatically, instantly recognizable in every possible way.
Mini’s statement only highlights the absurdity (emphasis mine): >With regard to the turn indicator light pattern, there should be no trouble at all for a driver to understand, when seeing the full rear of the car , which direction is being indicated So what about when you can only see half of the car? Like when it’s changing lanes or pulling out of a parking spot? You know, like those times when a signal is MOST usef…
You either see which side of the car you're seeing, or you don't and the shape of the light doesn't matter. When you drive, you don't interpret the light of the turn signal, you interpret where it is.
For me that's one thing that looks stupid on paper but that doesn't matter in real life with all the context we have when driving.
Looking at the images from article It's obvious. They put the led's, into the lenses, on the wrong side. Someone had a great idea, with the arrows. But by the time it got into production, the insides were reversed. Maybe a drawing was mirror imaged, maybe the layout at the factory was upside down? D6one simple little thing.
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At night both tail lamps are lit.
If they’re working, and if there isn’t something obstructing their view, like another vehicle or fog. Generally it’s best to design vehicle signaling with an assumption that situations are not ideal, just in case.
If one of the two tail lights and/or a brake light(s) is/are out then the situation will only be worse.
I'd short Cooper stock were I an investor. This will cost them a pretty penny.
Gawd, I can't imagine what a self-driving car would see when it is following a Mini down a foggy British roadway. Perhaps someone could model it?
25251. (a) Flashing lights are permitted on vehicles as follows: (1) To indicate an intention to turn or move to the right or left upon a roadway, turn signal lamps and turn signal exterior pilot indicator lamps and side lamps permitted under Section 25106 may be flashed on the side of a vehicle toward which the turn or movement is to be made.
If you feel that the mini is in violation by failing to do it's most basic of job of indicating left or right, file a complaint with the investigations division, and this state with the largest number of car registrations can fix it by forcing a recall or blocking registrations until it it fixed by the mfg https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv-complaints-ffinv-1/
> Mini has not heard any concerns from customers regarding the rear turn indicators I wouldn't expect them to: they cannot see their own turn signal lights while driving. If they happen to be behind another Mini, they already know about it and it may not throw them off-guard like others who aren't familiar with it.
>I wouldn't expect them to: they cannot see their own turn signal lights while driving.
>If they happen to be behind another Mini, they already know about it
The second sentence indicates that they would not inform Mini of any concerns because they are not aware there should be any concerns.
The third sentence indicates that they would know if there were any possible concerns because they own a Mini.