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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by userbinator »

IIsi50MHz wrote: post #422
vesinisa wrote: post #23

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This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

For people who had working hibernation, it may seem so. For support staff, and for hardware & OS vendors, dealing with customers complaining about hibernation or S3 sleep not working those states were so infuriating and definitely NOT a solved problem. Example failure modes: — Doesn't wake when told. — Immediately wakes instead of staying in low power state. — Performs a cold boot when trying to wake. — OS disables d…

Then they should've worked on fixing those problems, instead of adding even more new ones.

(I admit I haven't used systems with broken hibernates, or at least not any where a little it of troubleshooting could get it working, so that may skew my perception of it.)

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ayushnix »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #708
ayushnix wrote: post #595

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Ah right, Linux, the platform where suspend and resume doesn't even work and hibernation is a mess. AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2id... s2idle is broken and I have an AMD thinkpad with deep sleep and even that doesn't suspend 80% of the time. Intel (search for 'deep' and 's2idle') https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework... I already know the replies I might get but…

I never understood why I should be hibernating instead of suspending so I can't talk about that - but I haven't seen a laptop unable to suspend for years. That could be luck and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. The experience out of the box is still crap because the ACPI signals from the hardware are often a complete mess - but disabling most of them ge…

> and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic.

Please tell me the name of a laptop which has excellent support for Linux. At this point, I'm ready to go out of my way to spend more money than I can afford if that gets me excellent Linux compatibility.

I know, for a fact, that AMD based ThinkPads don't qualify. The Intel based FrameWork laptop has issues with suspend resume as well.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by pram »

Macha wrote: post #141
joeberon wrote: post #76

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I agree, you're going to get downvoted but it's just true. This _is_ why people use MacBooks. It just isn't the same experience in other cases, especially now with the extreme quietness and performance of M1, but even before the standby behaviour was extremely reliable.

https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac Mac sleep isn't sleep either, and yes, some macs have issues returning to sleep after

OSX does standard ACPI S3 for Intel Macs, it is "real" sleep. If you turn on darkwake (Power Nap) it does as advertised and wakes up to do background tasks. It isn't the same as Windows, UEFI, and the S0I3 state. The OSX ACPI doesn't even implement it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Toutouxc »

astockwell wrote: post #686
mjaniczek wrote: post #667

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One interesting tidbit is that Macbooks will (don't know since when) start booting up if you press any key after having shut the laptop down. That's a bummer when you want to go clean your keyboard and don't want the laptop running at the same time.

I believe this is just if it's sleeping with the lid open. If you go to Apple > Shut down... and let it complete, it will not turn back on unless you press the power button.

Nope, not anymore. This used to work for my 2013 MBP, but even if I completely shut down my M1, it will start booting upon any interaction. Opening the lid => starts booting. Pressing any key => starts booting. Clicking the trackpad => starts booting. Which is funny, because the trackpad doesn't physically click anymore, it just reacts to pressure, and only if it's a finger pressing on it (you can't click it with any object), and all that it still working when the computer is "shut down", i.e. you can't click the trackpad with a pen, but you can with your finger and it will turn the MacBook on.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by vbernat »

chippiewill wrote: post #614
tablespoon wrote: post #515

> All newer Dell laptops now use the Microsoft Modern Standby. So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. ...after further reading, yep: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/dev... > On occasion, the system stays in the active mode (with the screen off) for a longer interval of time. These longer active intervals occur for a variety o…

It's not just Microsoft's fault. Intel have completely removed S3 sleep from the latest Tigerlake chips so even if you run Linux you end up with the same problem.

Lenovo is able to add it back as an option in the BIOS. This is the case for P14s Gen 2 and X1 Carbon Gen 9.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by propogandist »

quantumsequoia wrote: post #558
tinus_hn wrote: post #92

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You’re not really supposed to bring a phone that close to your skin, otherwise you might exceed safe radiation levels.

[citation needed]

there is truth to this. This is the scientist who's responsible for getting smoking banned from planes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY -- this obviously hasn't gotten airtime because it's not good for the entire phone industry and supply chain

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Toutouxc »

thesuitonym wrote: post #612
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

Far be it for me to defend Microsoft here, but I feel like if you leave unsaved documents open overnight, you are asking for trouble. Why a person would ever walk away from a computer without saving is beyond me. This whole post is actually pretty confusing to me. I don't use Windows that frequently myself, but my work laptop, my wife's laptop, my child's laptop, and my Surface Pro 1 all have Windows 10 on them, and…

> Why a person would ever walk away from a computer without saving is beyond me.

Because it's extremely convenient and I don't remember ever losing anything on my Mac. I close the lid in the evening, open it the next morning and everything is there exactly like I left it. MariaDB is still running, my IDE is still running, and I can jump right in. Day after day after day, my uptime is usually the number of days since the last macOS update.

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Post by pixiemaster »

naikrovek wrote: post #726
mjaniczek wrote: post #666

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Offtopic: > or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot. Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

I have a $300 Ubiquiti Dream Machine and that thing CANT be scheduled to reboot. doesn't matter because Ethernet dies twice a day, and I need to use my phone to get to the admin page to restart the thing. most annoying and expensive router I've ever owned. I DO NOT understand how all routers I have ever owned are total garbage, but they all have been.

i use a mechanical clocked power outlet that cuts power once a day to the router

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by distances »

andrepd wrote: post #722
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #687

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Can’t you just wait two minutes for it yo cycle through all open apps and click “don’t save”/“terminate” on all of them?

But why isn't there simply a Terminate All button?

It's the power button, just force instant power off if you don't mind an integrity check at next startup!

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by shbooms »

andrepd wrote: post #722
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #687

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Can’t you just wait two minutes for it yo cycle through all open apps and click “don’t save”/“terminate” on all of them?

But why isn't there simply a Terminate All button?

there is, sort of, but it's got one or two extra steps (and most folks probably don't know it exists).

1. Press Cmd+Option+Escape to bring up the Force Quit menu

2. Press Cmd+A to select all running apps

3. Click the "Force Quit" Button to force quit all apps

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