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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by milesvp »

dontbesquare wrote: post #560
lrvick wrote: post #540

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I even dropped Windows for gaming. Almost all Steam games work flawlessly out of the box now thanks to extensive investment in Proton. That is why the Valve is confident shipping the steam deck with Linux.

Thank you for giving me the courage to go this route. The only reason I'm on Windows at this point is for gaming. Time to give Proton another try. I can't wait for my Steam Deck to arrive next year! =)

Some games will have issues due largely to drivers. But I stopped booting to my win7 partition at least a year and a half ago, and gaming on steam has only gotten better. Just know that games with anti cheat tend to not work. Lucky for me the only multiplayer game I play much of is Overwatch on lutris. And lutris is still supported enough by blizzard that it won’t trigger a ban by itself.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Terr_ »

fxtentacle wrote: post #619
thesuitonym wrote: post #612

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Far be it for me to defend Microsoft here, but I feel like if you leave unsaved documents open overnight, you are asking for trouble. Why a person would ever walk away from a computer without saving is beyond me. This whole post is actually pretty confusing to me. I don't use Windows that frequently myself, but my work laptop, my wife's laptop, my child's laptop, and my Surface Pro 1 all have Windows 10 on them, and…

> Why a person would ever walk away from a computer without saving is beyond me. In my case, it was mostly executables that I'm in the process of debugging and stepping through. I'm not aware of any debugger which can save and restore open file handles. > I just feel like a lot of the problems people have with Windows 10 aren't really in the software, but are between the keyboard and chair. I would have argued just l…

> executables that I'm in the process of debugging

In my case, virtual-machines. When Windows 10 decided it had to reboot, it would kill them dead. You can't quicksave those, and even if you did they have a higher-than-normal chance of not coming back up cleanly.

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Post by boznz »

tablespoon wrote: post #515

> All newer Dell laptops now use the Microsoft Modern Standby. So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. ...after further reading, yep: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/dev... > On occasion, the system stays in the active mode (with the screen off) for a longer interval of time. These longer active intervals occur for a variety o…

Sounds like government needs to step in if its a safety hazard

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fitzroy »

athenot wrote: post #483
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

> It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wake you up. And the next day, your unsaved open documents are all gone. That reminds me of last time I upgraded my mac by doing the transfer from one machine to the other. When the new mac booted for the first time, it had the same unsaved documents I had open on the old one. Things have come a long way.

Both proud and embarrassed to say I've had 150+ open Safari tabs persisting across three Mac laptops and five years of OS updates.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

chippiewill wrote: post #616
6jQhWNYh wrote: post #409

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It's definitely a Windows issue. I've had it with non-XPS Dells and completely different brands like Eluktronics.

It's not Windows (although Microsoft did basically force it to happen). Intel have just removed S3 sleep from the latest Tigerlake chip so there isn't an alternative.

I got my first windows laptop in 1999 (Toshiba satellite), and had 4 subsequent one’s since including HP Elitebooks and Dell Latitude Pros, and on none of them could I close the lid at a moment’s notice and start moving. I have had an Intel MacBook Air since 7 years ago, and I have never not been able to close the lid at a moment’s notice and stuff it in my backpack and get going.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Groxx wrote: post #601
GekkePrutser wrote: post #576

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I really don't get why they left the light off them. It's not something that takes any space at all and they can even make it invisible when off with their micro holes like they did with the old Bluetooth keyboard. Sometimes it seems Apple is just minimalist for the sake of it. Because this is really a useful feature.

I doubt lasering those holes is particularly cheap, i.e. likely much (much) more than the cost of a big hole with an LED. But I do very much like them, and would happily pay a bit to get it back.

They could manage it in a $80 keyboard when that tech was new and probably more expensive, I'd think they could do it in a $1500 laptop :)

And a hole with a plastic insert would be fine for me too. It wouldn't be as minimalist but not doing it at all is much worse IMO.

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

radicalbyte wrote: post #485
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

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Post by dragontamer »

laurent92 wrote: post #562
Godel_unicode wrote: post #533

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The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.

Should airplanes forbid PC laptops? It’s more serious than laptops committing suicide in bags. It’s, anything with a high-energy battery can short itself and cause a fire. Worse, it could be malware or hardware. At this point I am surprised the vulnerability hasn’t been used by anyone.

Airplanes have bags/boxes to throw li-ion batteries into and extinguish any particular fire.

The law is that you can only bring aboard Li-ion batteries of size 100 watt-hrs or smaller on any airplane (https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...).

I think the airline crews are confident they can handle 100 watt-hours worth of burning, but no more than that!

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