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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by smoldesu »

reilly3000 wrote: post #547
Godel_unicode wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.

*except Macs. I daily drive my desktop with Linux and occasionally game with Windows (it’s set up to be my driver as well with WSL2, but that happens rarely). I’ll only use Mac laptops. I’ve screwed around with others, but for about 18 years they have been the only ones that have been reliable, with good build quality, and no molten backpacks yet.

I've had nothing but problems with Apple's "Power Nap" functionality. I remember three discrete issues with my 2014 MBP (Quartz would randomly crash out of naps when connected to external displays, the topcase frequently felt mysteriously warm and my media controls would freak out forcing me to close spotify/firefox before closing it) Ironically, the only time I've seen it behaving as-intended was when I had my T460p running MacOS with photo analysis disabled. I'm guessing it's an ACPI issue, since Apple's track record with the technology is shaky.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fxtentacle »

athenot wrote: post #483
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

> It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wake you up. And the next day, your unsaved open documents are all gone. That reminds me of last time I upgraded my mac by doing the transfer from one machine to the other. When the new mac booted for the first time, it had the same unsaved documents I had open on the old one. Things have come a long way.

Yes, it usually works on Mac. And then you get used to it working, which makes it even more frustrating when it doesn't work anymore ^^

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by chippiewill »

bestouff wrote: post #110
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I have an XPS 9500 under Linux (this is a >$4000 machine), no amount of fiddling with BIOS settings (which are few) or systemd/GNOME settings will make it work reliably: - short suspend time (it can't really stay overnight when suspended with a full battery) - sometimes it wakes up and overheats in the bag - very short battery duration when unplugged Apparently I'm not alone, and even under Windows it's a generalized…

Yep, the XPS 9500 and 9700 series with a discrete GPU cannot to s3 sleep.

It's because Intel have been incrementally removing support for s3 sleep, it's completely gone in the latest Tigerlake chips.

Linux s2idle support for modern Intel low CPU package power states is still pretty rough which is why you'll get a good chunk of power drain still.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by wldlyinaccurate »

reilly3000 wrote: post #547
Godel_unicode wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.

*except Macs. I daily drive my desktop with Linux and occasionally game with Windows (it’s set up to be my driver as well with WSL2, but that happens rarely). I’ll only use Mac laptops. I’ve screwed around with others, but for about 18 years they have been the only ones that have been reliable, with good build quality, and no molten backpacks yet.

I've had the opposite experience with Macbooks. WiFi randomly dropping out, battery dying overnight while the laptop is closed, external display settings not being persisted, randomly switching from my external microphone to the built-in one halfway through a call... Sometimes reading through these threads I feel like the only person in the world who has somehow had three faulty Macbooks in a row.

I've now had three generations of XPS 13 with Ubuntu. They're not perfect (the battery drains over 3 or 4 days instead of overnight) but overall my experience has been much better.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by chippiewill »

sandGorgon wrote: post #14
kelnos wrote: post #8

The issue is that Windows doesn't go into S3 sleep when you close the lid; it goes into a weird not-really-asleep state for... some reason that I don't agree with[0]. I guess that state is "hot" enough that you could damage the laptop by putting it in a bag while in that state. Fortunately I've been running Linux on my XPS 13, which I have put into a bag hundreds of times (maybe even over a thousand) while suspended.…

Oh wow. i did NOT know that. Even worse... > Switching between S3 and Modern Standby cannot be done by changing a setting in the BIOS. Switching the power model is not supported in Windows without a complete OS re-install. and on Reddit > Warning: if your laptop is newer than 2019, there is a high chance, your OEM removed any S3 code from the bios, and your laptop will crash entering S3 and you have to force hold pow…

Intel just removed S3 sleep completely from the latest Tigerlake chips.

I don't think it's the OEMs / manufacturers, it's Intel.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by cma »

jseliger wrote: post #415
ngokevin wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of my Windows laptops in the past would do this in a bag (e.g., Sony and Razor). I'd pin it on Windows, not saying it happens to all Windows laptops but Windows allows it to happen. It knows to sleep when shut, but somehow spins back up in the bag.

I primarily use MacOS and just don't understand how this can still be a seemingly common problem in 2021, when most of the world uses laptops. Shouldn't this be a top priority for Microsoft and for vendors? Apparently it isn't, which may explain why almost every quarter Apple reports year-over-year gains in laptop sales. If I were the boss at Microsoft, this would become a top priority. Immediately.

It happens with macbooks for me if using an sd card. It started doing it only after an update a few years back.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by errantspark »

naikrovek wrote: post #551
errantspark wrote: post #544

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I have NEVER in my life ever gotten a useful output from `powercfg.exe /lastwake`. I'm honestly surprised to hear someone mention it as working, I thought it was the sort of thing that was just copypasted on clickfarming tech-help blogs without any sort of verification that it actually works. In fact I just tried it again on 4 computers and every one of them said "Wake History Count - 0".

note that it won't report reasons the machine was woken from hibernate, since hibernate isn't a sleep state. also, run the command as an administrator. not just using an account that is an administrator. use an elevated cmd prompt or PowerShell window. if you're doing all that, idk what's going on. You can, however, see what devices are capable of waking your machine, and then disable them, by using the commands in m…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No hibernation, yes admin, yes elevated prompt, nada. Disabling devices has never worked for me either, again I'm legitimately surprised that these things have ever worked for anyone since it's never had any effect whenever I've tried it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by radicalbyte »

BluePen8 wrote: post #602
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Same, I was in university and kept showing up to class with my Dell Inspiron having killed it's own battery in my bag regardless how carefully I put it into sleep/hibernate. Or I'd find it nearly dead and burning hot, fans spun up wildly, in the process of cooking it's own motherboard. It heat suicided itself through 2 motherboards during the 1 year warranty. I have my complaints about MacBooks, but at least I had a…

The best thing with Dell is when you've shut it down properly, but it somehow finds a way to turn itself back on in your bag. Then when you get home your bag is 50c and battery dead.
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