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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lostlogin »

damon_c wrote: post #432
jorgesborges wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

People who use Macs have been just closing and opening their computers for about a decade and not thinking about it. The wifi is still connected, the ssh session I was in is still connected... The tests I was running when the doorbell rang... they pick up where they left off. It's nice. It's stuff like this that keeps me begrudgingly coming back to Apple for laptops.

> People who use Macs have been just closing and opening their computers for about a decade and not thinking about it.

Yes and no. There have been weird issues where the machine wakes but the screen stays dark and another where externally connected monitors won’t necessarily work on wake. Possibly some of this is connected fo the hell which is the dongle lifestyle.

Apple seems to have come out the other side of these issues with recent laptops/OS releases (last 18 months).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by docmars »

superjan wrote: post #411
algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

I absolutely agree that microsoft could and should make this work better. But the pragmatic workaround is the setting to force hibernation when you close the lid. You can resume from SSD in 10 seconds. No middle of the night wakeups. Much improved battery life.

I had to do this with my ASUS Zephyrus G14 because it's an AMD-based machine and doesn't support a true Standby mode anyway. It's not the greatest coming from the Mac ecosystem where Sleep basically just works (well, most of the time, High Sierra screwed up a lot of things around that).

To my knowledge, it hasn't woken up without my input and Hibernate doesn't eat the battery alive while it's asleep.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by gnopgnip »

gotstad wrote: post #54

I will never buy a Dell XPS laptop again. The exterior build quality seems very good, but the internals are such a mess. I cannot count how many times I have been biking home from work and heard in my headphones "Two devices connected", realizing that my Dell XPS had woken up and would - once again - be red hot when I arrived home and pulled it out of my bag.

I bike to work with a dell xps 9343 and don't have any more problems with it waking from sleep unexpectedly. powercfg -lastwake and powercfg -waketimers can show what is causing the computer to wake up, and you can disable some of the modern standby settings like wake words with cortana or bluetooth. The same thing can happen with any other laptop, the default intel/microsoft settings leave a lot of possibilities and I have run into a similar issue with an X1 and a t580.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by mindcrime »

Under no circumstances should you leave a laptop powered on and in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag, backpack, or in an overhead bin. The laptop will overheat as a result of that action.

IOW, all modern Dell laptops are defective by design. Crazy that they can ship something this broken and stay in business...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ajb »

"Modern Standby"

Good language example here: "Modern" is nearly always an advocacy word. Literally it just means "up to date", but in fact it is almost always used in the sense of "this should be the successor of what you currently have, you should feel bad about what I designate as outdated". Sometimes this is justifiable, but...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lostlogin »

throwdecro wrote: post #333
Mister_Snuggles wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer to put my computer to sleep rather than shut it down. Closing the lid on my computer, putting it in my backpack, and heading home for the day is very natural. When I get back to work the next day, I open it up connect the cables, scan my fingerprint, and everything's back where I left it. I usually go at least a month between reboots, but that's highly dependant on when updates come out (and get approved by…

As a slight aside, I prefer to shut down and be sure that things are shut down. It really bothered me when Mac laptops started turning on just because the lid was open. It makes it impossible to confirm the laptop is truly off, because opening it to check turns it on. This was especially annoying during my "boarding a plane" ritual where I check everything is right before settling in.

> started turning on just because the lid was open.

Fridges have this problem too, but if you’re taking one of them on a plane it’s your own fault.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by neycoda »

I did this accidentally with an old Latitude in a backpack, and either the laptop woke up or the fan kept blowing while Windows was asleep, and when I opened the bag it was HOT!! Freaked me out, thankfully no damage to anything, but this may have caused the hard drive issues I had if the drive was working while in transit.

These reasons are why I use hibernate or shutdown before transit, and I have my lid settings to hibernate upon closed (plugged in or battery), just to be safe.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by thaumasiotes »

mrweasel wrote: post #334
thaumasiotes wrote: post #118

Dell sells official Dell laptop bags, backpacks, and cases: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/carrying-cases/ac/7301 "Keep your laptop, tablet and everyday essentials protected with sleek backpacks designed to blend in to any environment." I suspect that a lawsuit against their denial of warranty for putting a laptop into a backpack would go pretty well.

It's not that you can't put it in a bag, you just need to shutdown the laptop completely before doing so. The issue is most people don't use their laptops like that. My laptop basically only shuts down doing updates. While I can sort of understand Dells logic, it's also ignoring how people will normally use their laptops. It's really something Dell should adresse in their coming generations of laptops. No amount of w…

> if they break because you transportet them in a bag while hibernating.

Power consumption during hibernation is supposed to be zero - that is the concept of hibernation. What's happening there?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by qudat »

BitAstronaut wrote: post #437
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

This is about the tenth time I’ve seen someone reference a framework laptop in the last couple of days. Is it a new company?

Yes and I preordered one specifically because I want a first-class linux supported laptop with repair-ability in mind.

As far as I can tell it is living up to its hype.

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