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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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A single sensor by the exhaust fan would be an excellent proxy for the T anywhere in the laptop. The really hot stuff have sensors themselves, so if anything else is hot it will be revealed in the exhaust

An exhaust fan doesn't work in a bag.

That is why the temp sensor would quickly register high heat and shut down the system.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

> Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down?

So we can right back in the context we had? Who wants to spend the first 15 minutes digging out Jira, the issue you worked on, the two related ones, start IntelliJ, digging out the correct screenshots etc etc.

... or even: who wants to stop debugging and turn of the computer just because we are leaving the office to catch the train?

I first learned this on a 486/66 DX2 IBM aptiva desktop in 1995.

I've too had times when it didn't work on Linux but today boil-in-bag seems to be a Windows feature, not supported out of the box on ordinary Linux distros on mainstream hardware ;-)

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

I prefer to put my computer to sleep rather than shut it down. Closing the lid on my computer, putting it in my backpack, and heading home for the day is very natural. When I get back to work the next day, I open it up connect the cables, scan my fingerprint, and everything's back where I left it. I usually go at least a month between reboots, but that's highly dependant on when updates come out (and get approved by…

As a slight aside, I prefer to shut down and be sure that things are shut down. It really bothered me when Mac laptops started turning on just because the lid was open.

It makes it impossible to confirm the laptop is truly off, because opening it to check turns it on. This was especially annoying during my "boarding a plane" ritual where I check everything is right before settling in.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Dell sells official Dell laptop bags, backpacks, and cases: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/carrying-cases/ac/7301 "Keep your laptop, tablet and everyday essentials protected with sleek backpacks designed to blend in to any environment." I suspect that a lawsuit against their denial of warranty for putting a laptop into a backpack would go pretty well.

It's not that you can't put it in a bag, you just need to shutdown the laptop completely before doing so.

The issue is most people don't use their laptops like that. My laptop basically only shuts down doing updates. While I can sort of understand Dells logic, it's also ignoring how people will normally use their laptops. It's really something Dell should adresse in their coming generations of laptops. No amount of writing will get users to change their behavior and even if Dell is correct, it will make their laptops seem inferior if they break because you transportet them in a bag while hibernating.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

Hibernate is the best option by far but they seem to want to push away from it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #232

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I have the same laptop, it works pretty decently. However: YOU WILL NOT HAVE MACOS MONTEREY, because Apple decided seven years is enough. Manufactured obsolescence.

I don’t think 7 years of major OS upgrades and support is really a good example of planned obsolescence…

Luckily I didn't say planned obsolescence, I said manufactured - because that's precisely what it is, Apple is well known for this type of behavior. Introduce candy, don't allow old hardware to run it, pretend like it's a hardware issue. Problem is, they do this for features that demonstrably don't require better hardware, such as the animations in the weather app for the iPhone.

It's very obvious what it's about, make "old" hardware feel outdated and force the customer's hand.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #54

I will never buy a Dell XPS laptop again. The exterior build quality seems very good, but the internals are such a mess. I cannot count how many times I have been biking home from work and heard in my headphones "Two devices connected", realizing that my Dell XPS had woken up and would - once again - be red hot when I arrived home and pulled it out of my bag.

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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This is humorous timing for me. I just purchased an XPS 9510 and sleep mode was busted out of the box. After multiple hours of troubleshooting and updating bios and firmware with their "premium" support team, the machine still didn't work. I returned the laptop and vowed to never purchase a dell product ever again. They seem to have serious quality control issues in their product pipelines.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#339

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

I don’t choose to sleep or shutdown. I want instant context saving and I will close my laptop many times a day. I expect opening it to restore me to where I was within 5 seconds with same application state and windows in the same place.

I have a MacBook which performs this flawlessly and my Linux desktop also pauses and restores flawlessly except immediately after installing new Nvidia GPU drivers.

I haven’t thought about different CPU sleep stages in approximately 9 years when I had to make my XPS M1330 handle them in the end years of its life.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #52

XPS should be "developer laptops". They even come with Linux. So I tried two. Never experienced a more faulty keyboard on a computer in my life. Hanging keys, firmware updates that never really fixed the problem, support forums full of same questions. I'll never buy one again. Too bad as I wanted to support "big brand w/ Linux preinstalled".

“ I wanted to support "big brand w/ Linux preinstalled"” Look at Lenovo maybe :)

Just heads up: Danish cities can't buy Lenovo laptops, at least certain models, because Lenovo can't guarantee that they are not made using Uyghur slave labour.

So if that's important to you, maybe don't buy Lenovo.

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