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EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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Does anyone feel it is a little strange to have a government entity mandating a physical interconnect? I guess it has worked out well enough for receptacles. But on a phone it acts as a data connection as well. I guess I just wonder if in 20 years will every device still have a USB-C port on it in some odd location? No one is using it anymore, but it is still mandatory on everything.

Does anyone feel it is a little strange to have a government entity mandating interoperability details on every level of the tech stack? See POSIX for an example. I don't think it's strange at all.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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They need to mandate the presence of a physical cable, otherwise Apple will drop the port and move to wireless charging. Wired cable remains important for high-quality audio and secure data transfers. Both WiFi and Bluetooth have a long and storied history of vulnerabilities. While they are at it, can we please have a dedicated physical cable port for audio? It doesn't have to be TRRS 3.5mm, but it must be possible t…

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Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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Does it count if no one ever complied to this legislation? Where are the micro-usb iPhones?

Apple complied by adding a free dongle to every iPhone sold in the EU.

That's the opposite of compliance. Not only they didn't get to change their own product to match some standard, they went straight against the spirit of the law (add more electronics and yet-another source of waste).

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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I don't know enough about the EU to say if the laws will adapt. But in the US, I very much view it as once something is legislated it becomes a permanent fixture of our society.

It might mean that it won't change as often as through a free market, but laws adapt. On the other hand, things also become permanent fixtures without law. Like USB-A connectors having been stuck on laptops and desktops for more than 20 years.

MIDI 1.1 would like to have a word with you

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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Wait does this mean that the EU will also prevent the USB-if from charging licensing fees? Or is someone in the EU getting some kickbacks?

That was my first thought, it seems weird to throw a mandate on proprietary licensed hardware.

It could lead to very weird outcomes if usbif decides to throw its weight around for political (or geopolitical) reasons.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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Presumably unbundled chargers will be fine with USB-C on everything. It's not proprietary like Apple's chargers and easy to find.

What is proprietary about Apples chargers? They sell USB-A and USB-C wall warts, and their devices happily charge on non-Apple chargers. Their laptop chargers are USB-C and have been for some time. I charge my MBP from a Lenovo power brick. The only proprietary part is the lightning connector.

> What is proprietary about Apples chargers? > The only proprietary part is the lightning connector.

> I charge my MBP from a Lenovo power brick

Way to avoid the issue at hand, can you charge your iPhone using your Android charger/cable?

Laptop chargers aren't the problem, phone chargers are. As you saw, USB-C solved the problems for laptops, it's about time we solve it for phones too.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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> Good, though in practice it's not the charger the problem, I use the same USB plug everywhere This isn't the first time the EU mentioned those plans, the current situation is basically the phone manufacturers regulating themselves to avoid an explicit regulation by the EU. > it's Apple and their cable. Of course there is always that one greedy asshole ruining it for everyone else. > What's Apple reasoning for not a…

> They probably considered Lightning to be superior but couldn't make it the industry standard without loosing their ability to charge absurd amounts of licensing fees for it. I don't think it's this. Lightning was superior to micro-USB, but it's certainly not superior to USB-C. I think the problem is that everyone remembers the transition from the 30 pin dock connector to Lightning. Apple has a huge reputation for j…

> People don't have 10 year old cables and chargers around.

Yes they do, why wouldn't they? I have mini/micro USB chargers and cables that are older, same for USB A/B cables, same for network cables.

Only cables that get tossed are Apple lightning cables because they are crap quality and fray within 2-3 years, and other non-standard crap (pre-2010 proprietary phone/camera chargers like 30-pin and the like)

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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No, I don't. Here the EU is creating legislation that forces manufacturers to increase interoperability, be more consumer-friendly, and more climate friendly. This all seems within the remit of governments to me. > I guess I just wonder if in 20 years will every device still have a USB-C port on it in some odd location? No one is using it anymore, but it is still mandatory on everything. Or course not, it's not like…

Apple removed the charger to be more enviromnent friendly. Why don't do this willingly? Oh yeah... they didn't do it for the environment.

Now apple can announce they support full HDMI from iPhones when in reality it’s because thunderbolt had to do cheap hacks to do it properly. Everyone gets to buy all new dongles and accessories. Apple low-key wants this to happen
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