No mention in the article of comorbidities. This is happening likely in part because we were the fattest and sickest Americans in history even before COVID-19.
Covid-19 overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in American history
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/08-02-2021-lab-alert... From the link: Is CDC retiring the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel because it has produced inaccurate results? No. There are no performance concerns with this test. The CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is a highly accurate test. It has been used to successfully detect SARS-C…
You see there's a logical contradiction between the two different posts right?
Re: Covid-19 overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in American history
#33Suppose I go to the hospital with a stubbed toe. They test me with PCR and the test detects fragments of dead inactive virus from a month ago when my immune system defeated it. I therefore test "positive" for COVID. They give me the vaccine, which promptly kills me from a combination of stroke, heart attack, and multiple organ failure. This would be recorded as a COVID death, and I would be considered "unvaccinated".…
But I'm not going to hold my breath on you being able to actually support your statement.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because otherwise a car crash in a small town would be equivalent to a major terror attack in NYC, or Jack the ripper could be considered a minor offender compared to a modern day involuntary manslaughter. There is a time and place for normalized statistics, but for some situations, loss of life is something that matters. Edit: I got the arrow of time mixed up in the jack the ripper example, but you get the idea.
>Because otherwise a car crash in a small town would be equivalent to a major terror attack in NYC You can probably adjust for this using some sort of statistical significance test. However, without actually doing the test I'll go on a limb and say that the world's population wasn't small enough in 1918 that this phenomena (ie. n being too small) would skew the results.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/08-02-2021-lab-alert... From the link: Is CDC retiring the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel because it has produced inaccurate results? No. There are no performance concerns with this test. The CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is a highly accurate test. It has been used to successfully detect SARS-C…
You see there's a logical contradiction between the two different posts right?
Re: Covid-19 overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in American history
#36Suppose I go to the hospital with a stubbed toe. They test me with PCR and the test detects fragments of dead inactive virus from a month ago when my immune system defeated it. I therefore test "positive" for COVID. They give me the vaccine, which promptly kills me from a combination of stroke, heart attack, and multiple organ failure. This would be recorded as a COVID death, and I would be considered "unvaccinated".…
That's quite the claim to make. I'd love to see the verified examples you have to back it up as well as statistics on how often that happens so we can adjust the reported values to get the true number of deaths. But I'm not going to hold my breath on you being able to actually support your statement.
Is it? What do you imagine would prevent it from happening just like I suggested? Can PCR tell the difference between live virus that's causing illness and dead virus fragments? Do the mRNA vaccines cause spike proteins to protrude out from the normally smooth walls of blood vessels, causing clotting as confirmed by D-dimer tests? Does it take 14 days for a person to be considered vaccinated after getting the jab?
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#37Suppose I go to the hospital with a stubbed toe. They test me with PCR and the test detects fragments of dead inactive virus from a month ago when my immune system defeated it. I therefore test "positive" for COVID. They give me the vaccine, which promptly kills me from a combination of stroke, heart attack, and multiple organ failure. This would be recorded as a COVID death, and I would be considered "unvaccinated".…
That's quite the claim to make. I'd love to see the verified examples you have to back it up as well as statistics on how often that happens so we can adjust the reported values to get the true number of deaths. But I'm not going to hold my breath on you being able to actually support your statement.
CDC regards as unvaccinated until 2 weeks post treatment. So any acute vaccine reaction is regarded as an unvaccinated hospitalization.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
You see there's a logical contradiction between the two different posts right?
The first post, the lab alert from 7/21/21, withdraws the request for Emergency Use Authorization for the PCR test. The second clarification post explains why, in that the "CDC began distributing the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCOV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel to fill a gap. The wide availability of other SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic tests means that the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Di…
"In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses."
TL;DR
"Move on from the current PCR test. We encourage laboratories to consider adoption of a method that can facilitate detection and differentiation between SARS-Cov-2 and influenza viruses".
It's so clear that at this point I won't add anything more to conversation.
Re: Covid-19 overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in American history
#39No mention in the article of comorbidities. This is happening likely in part because we were the fattest and sickest Americans in history even before COVID-19.
Really, it's astonishing how sick Americans are on average and how it isn't getting better. Now we are telling people that it is cool to be obese, that medical treatment is preferable over nutrition and life choices, that being around other people is dangerous, that binge watching is preferable to real life, and that it doesn't matter anyway because diabetes will be cured by science "just around the corner TM".
But humans can become accustomed to anything. Being overnurished and lacking nutrition is now the norm and people either don't realize it or don't care.
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#40> The Spanish flu was previously the disease event that caused the biggest loss of life in the United States; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 675,000 Americans died during the 1918 pandemic, in waves of illness that stretched out over roughly two years in this country. > According to STAT’s Covid-19 Tracker, Covid deaths stand at more than 675,400. Why are we comparing raw numbers? If one…
Because otherwise a car crash in a small town would be equivalent to a major terror attack in NYC, or Jack the ripper could be considered a minor offender compared to a modern day involuntary manslaughter. There is a time and place for normalized statistics, but for some situations, loss of life is something that matters. Edit: I got the arrow of time mixed up in the jack the ripper example, but you get the idea.
There's other factors too that may bump in favor of the 1918 flu being less deadly, like the improvements with modern medicine. But JUST comparing 2 numbers is not a valuable metric on its own.