To the Framework laptop owners in the thread, I have a question about the power button light. In the image I saw, it seemed rather large (square) as it outlines the fingerprint reader and likely perceptually brighter as a result due to the greater area covered. Do you find it distracting to have it always on in the upper right of your keyboard?
The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
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#922Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…
Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.
I think this kind of thinking is what keeping Apple sailing high.
Headphone jack gone? Get the AirPod. Oh BT drains the battery faster of already sub capacity battery? Why don’t you have a power bank yet? And yeah, keep it on you always. Isn’t that normal? Or Apple has a shiny battery pack. Maybe buy two.
Glass back breaks? Well, you gotta lose something for wireless charging. But I don’t do wireless charging. Why not? Go buy another thing.
There was this TV show and there was something like “happy to comply” in that.
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#923Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's be honest here, windows is going to be slow as a moonwalking Michael Jackson with that processor. Windows is, I kid you not, an order of magnitude slower than linux/macos.
What? Windows 10 isn’t particularly slow on my i7-4770K. You’re telling me that the i5-1135G7 (which benchmarks faster) is going to perform worse than my 8 year old CPU in general OS use?
If you’re only used to windows you might not notice how inefficient it is, and you may also be doing the “right” kind of workload for windows. On an i7 6700hq thinkpad I did the experiment and ran both windows and linux for an extended period. In my experience linux was about 30% faster for typical web development tasks (npm install, angular build, …), but performed around the same for web browsing, and was much slower in video calls.
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How are thermals though? My xps 13 with 2 fans can get hot enough to be unconfortable, so i can't imagine how it will be with a single fan
I really wish people talked about this stuff more when it comes to laptops. Hot temps and loud fans are a super turn-off for me. I'm willing to compromise performance for a quieter, cooler runtime, but usually all I can find out about a laptop is its processor clock speed and a horribly inaccurate battery life estimate.
with most laptops one can set the fanspeed via software and let the built-in thermal throttling keep the machine from melting down.
peak performance is fine, but sustained speed takes quite a hit.
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#925Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me the M1 one is the differentiator not even because of its performance, but because of what it allows the laptop to be: Absolute silence with 20 hour battery life. To have it also be screamingly fast is very nice to have though.
You forget the computer is there! I have been so overwhelmingly happy with my M1 (with RAM upgrade) as a dev machine. It's THAT good. My co-workers cry when they see how fast my docker containers build.
Would love to get some feedback on M1 for development.
I am used to work in Linux OS VM(Virtualbox and Vagrant in MacOS) and do most PHP/Python web development. It seems that Virtualbox won't be supported and There is only one Linux VM option available [UTM](https://github.com/utmapp/UTM)
I would hate to invest too much time for a new dev environment just for M1. How's your experience?
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#926Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's addressed in the article and elsewhere in these comments, several times. They donate them after a year in order to upgrade. Seems a perfectly reasonable and responsible use case if you want a new laptop every year.
Why the hell would you want a new laptop every year? Doesn't seem very "reasonable and responsible" to me.
Literally just click the link and read it. He answered it there.
Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#927Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…
Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.
They are just recessed dongles.
Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#928Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…
How are thermals though? My xps 13 with 2 fans can get hot enough to be unconfortable, so i can't imagine how it will be with a single fan
I rely on notebookcheck [1] for stuff like this--best notebook reviews I've ever read. If you go down to Emissions there's a "Temperature" subsection with pretty detailed info.
[1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-5-Review-I...
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#929Website says "We're hiring"
I bet you are! This look bad@ss.
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As a hardware nerd and standard laptop user I love the M1. As a dev, I feel it's not ready yet on the software support side. It will eventually come, but if we follow the "don't buy now on the promise of future updates" principle, right now not being on AMD/Intel is a downside.
So I’m currently on Intel Macs and looking to move to an M1 imminently (holding out to see what MacBook announcements come this autumn). What are the biggest issues you’ve seen so far from a dev perspective? The Framework laptop has seriously got me considering moving away from macOS to Linux as a daily dev machine and keeping my Macs for home use (and music production for which I don’t want to leave Logic Pro). But…
I also own an M1 Mac and it's subtle or large compatibility bugs with specific development tools and applications.
Two cases where my work was impacted
1) I work with laravel running on a couple of docker containers. There's complicated bug where a memory leak caused by some low-level package all PHP docker containers rely on which is exclusive to Rosetta. It caused all my php containers to be out of memory permanently.
It's not an issue I had in the beginning, don't know the exact cause but I wasn't able to fix it once it started happening, so had to move away from docker for development (which was not problematic luckily)
2) It can't build OBS. OBS, like many other open-source software packages need a maintainer to add support for M1 build-steps. There was a major dependency that didn't have M1 build support yet, so simply not possible until that gets fixed.
This is the case for many packages, it just needs time before everyone catches up.
But for the rest it's perfect imo. The battery life is insane, the no-noise fan is insane, the no-heat is insane. Only battery/heat issues I ever get is when I game on it, which it isn't meant for necessarily either but just saying.
Edit: Oh I forgot to mention that while the keyboard feel is great, its build quality is.. questionable. One time a key just got stuck out of nowhere. Just stuck, nothing to do. I tried repairing it myself but oddly 3 months ago (not sure about now) there were no guides on how to safely tuck it loose, clean it and put it back.
I broke it unfortunately. This has not been my experience with any other laptop or keyboard ever. I hate this part of Apple's philosophy the most, "It's broken? Please give us a lot of money."