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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I just got one of these last weekend(I ordered it in early August) and so far it’s really great. The modular I/O and general mission of the company was what initially sold me on it, but now actually being hands on with it, I definitely feel secure in my decision to get one. I can’t overstate how good these modular ports are. I also really like that you can bring your own hardware in a lot of cases. For example I had…

Right shift key is important if you want to write fast and ergonomically.

I used to not use it till I found typingclub.com and finally learned how to use a keyboard proficiently.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> because let’s be honest, when was the last time you used the right shift key? Worth a try if you don't have the habit yet: use the pinky of your right hand when typing capitals with the left hand and the pinky of your left when typing capitals with the right.

That's probably what I was taught, but in practice why? What's my left hand going to do with all its hundreds of milliseconds of free time while my right types a capital letter?

It's not just about speed it's also simpler and doesn't stretch your palms across the keyboard awkwardly.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

Have you tried dongles? They barely work.

I beg for an age where monitors and drives plugged into Macbooks worked again without flickering and random disconnects you get with dongles.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I find it kind of strange that they don't have a dual-usb c card. There seems to be more than enough space and putting two usb c ports on a single card would allow to carry a wider variety of cards without loosing out on standard ports.

Is this possibly because of charging? It seems like such an easy and obvious thing to do.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Their modular ports use a lot of space, they could have much more ports built in, unfortunately.

No one wants all the different ports though, they usually just want the correct ports. If you're plugging more than 4 things into your laptop at once you should be using a dock.

If Framework opens this up for other companies to make modules, you might also see something like a USB port module with an integrated Logitech wireless mouse receiver. So then your mouse isn't even taking up a port.

I know Bluetooth is a thing but you get the point. All of those tiny devices that people keep plugged into their laptop ports 24/7? This is a much better form factor for them, and you don't necessarily need to sacrifice a port for them either.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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This is kind of a weird piece that really doesn't mean anything at all. I understand being in the "honeymoon phase" with a new piece of technology, but I don't feel like Cory is aware that he's doing that here. But there's some signs: He loved Thinkpads originally, but over the course of several years the company and the quality of the product went down the tubes. Now he's got a brand new laptop that he's only had fo…

This is just how Cory writes in general. You’re not going to get a lot of measured maybes. He is an opinionated guy.

And in this case, what’s the harm? If a laptop doesn’t work out, it can be replaced. This one just got released, so a long-term reliability test isn’t even possible yet.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because let’s be honest, when was the last time you used the right shift key? Worth a try if you don't have the habit yet: use the pinky of your right hand when typing capitals with the left hand and the pinky of your left when typing capitals with the right.

That's probably what I was taught, but in practice why? What's my left hand going to do with all its hundreds of milliseconds of free time while my right types a capital letter?

For me it's more a matter of putting as little stress on my hands as possible. Pressing two buttons (shift and key) with one hand is just a little less comfortable than pressing just one key.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

I disagree. If you configure it, it will cost you a ton of money. The base configuration doesn't have even basic ports.

At contrary, today at work we bought for 900 euros (700 without taxes), plus less than 100 euros for an extra 16Gb RAM module, a thinkpad T14, that has all the features of the base model, but with 512Gb SSD, Ethernet directly on the laptop, a better keyboard, a trackpoint, more USB ports, a fingerprint reader, and a Windows 10 Pro license.

To me it doesn't make a lot of sense this laptop. Regarding repairability, it's just like any other Thinkpad, the modular IO, what is its purpose? Also you are adding components that can break, consume power, and waste space. And still you don't provide an ethernet integrated on the laptopt itself, so you have to always carry around a USB adapter that doesn't work as reliably as an integrated one.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I find it kind of strange that they don't have a dual-usb c card. There seems to be more than enough space and putting two usb c ports on a single card would allow to carry a wider variety of cards without loosing out on standard ports. Is this possibly because of charging? It seems like such an easy and obvious thing to do.

I wonder if there's bandwidth constraints under the hood.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

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