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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by minsc__and__boo »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #534

Given that the expansion ports are just USB C ports, the real innovation (one of them) is making an integrated dongles. The only issue I see is that the adapters are a big too large but also a bit too small; the adapters are large enough that there are only 4 but also small enough that making a 2x USB A adapter would be quite challenging. I think the idea could be expanded upon. Dongles that extend beyond the chassis…

>the adapters are large enough that there are only 4 but also small enough that making a 2x USB A adapter would be quite challenging.

This was my thought as well, but they're planning on doing more interfaces than what they're listing now, so it may be they went for universibility with the size.

Also USB-A is going to slowly die off anyways, so I doubt it's good to build the dongle standard to two USB-As.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by lr1970 »

ericpauley wrote: post #253
mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

> How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles ...

At least the "modular port" adapters are not dangling from the side of a laptop as the dongles do. Dongles totally ruin the esthetics of otherwise slick MacBook for me.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by SeanLuke »

throwawaycuriou wrote: post #392
SeanLuke wrote: post #389

Wait, wait, wait. The Framework is supposed to be entirely customizable. Except I have to buy Windows 10 Home, which has an OEM cost of, what, about $100? And I have to have the little Windows icon on my keyboard. This alone gets me thinking about other options.

You want the DIY edition.

My bad! I thought I had selected it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by khqc »

binkHN wrote: post #554
bigpeopleareold wrote: post #285

I like what they are doing, but I am sticking with my 2 primary thinkpads for now, which is fine as well and certainly eco :) They are still a perfect level of repairability (t430s and a t470p) even if I can't upgrade the CPUs on them. I am excited over seeing this project, but these things have stuck out for me: 1. I am concerned over long-term screen hinge strength. I can't see the build on it, but I will not cheap…

> I can try to stop using the TrackPoint (would hate unlearning that)... Same here. I’m addicted to it and can’t get over the tactile feel. I guess this will go the way of the mobile phone keyboard, assuming it hasn’t already.

I guess a workaround for now (until someone designs a trackpoint keyboard that fits in the framework) could be Lenovo's bluetooth trackpoint keyboard, I use it with every laptop and it's been great

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by slaw »

oblio wrote: post #479
RandyRanderson wrote: post #103

Very exciting. Hoping they will make something similar with: . 15 or 16 inch chassis . 4k display (OLED, if possible) . largest battery they allow on an airplane . no keypad . 2x speakers facing up . AMD, if possible . arrow keys as Apple does it . charge a premium for this - ppl will pay it!!! Basically just copy what Apple does but with a little customization. I know this would be difficult but hoping someone from…

> no keypad I don't see the keypad.

Which 15 or 16 inch laptop you don't see keypad?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by ashtonkem »

fayten wrote: post #131
ashtonkem wrote: post #50

I still remained baffled by the popularity of the laptop. Literally everyone I know works with them fixed in one location; their desk. Yes, some people do need mobility, but this appears to be a minority of consumers. We could’ve had all this repairability and modularity years ago if most consumers just admitted that really they wanted a desktop all along. It also fixed complaints about keyboards.

I'm not sure how common it is, but at my old job devs and business analysts would regularly go on site to work with clients. Larger teams would have build boxes for CI and VMs that we could remote into if need be, but other than that laptops were absolutely required. I'm currently writing this at a coffee shop surrounded by others all working on various things. I really like the option to work from anywhere.

My experience is that everyone claims they want the ability to go to a coffee shop, but very few actually exercise it. Obviously some will, like you, but not most. And unfortunately the perception of need drives behavior more strongly than actual need. Same with “off road” vehicles and trucks, people buy things based on capability they’ll never exercise.

Personally I loved the idea of working from a coffee shop until I actually tried it. Then I found that the glamour of the idea was much more than the experience of trying to do focused work in a noisy environment on a cramped keyboard. So instead I do work in my office, and leave my laptop permanently closed and connected like the worlds most expensive Mac Mini.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by dabeeeenster »

mike_ivanov wrote: post #550
fouc wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

poster is probably referring to this: https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/11/16in-macboo... The left, right, and down arrow keys all on one level, and the up arrow key alone above the down arrow key. Makes it easy to find the right key by touch alone.

This is what I need. Not what Apple offers. MacBook arrow keys are unusable.

That is a modern macbook

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by tkluck »

clepto wrote: post #426

I just got one of these last weekend(I ordered it in early August) and so far it’s really great. The modular I/O and general mission of the company was what initially sold me on it, but now actually being hands on with it, I definitely feel secure in my decision to get one. I can’t overstate how good these modular ports are. I also really like that you can bring your own hardware in a lot of cases. For example I had…

> because let’s be honest, when was the last time you used the right shift key?

Worth a try if you don't have the habit yet: use the pinky of your right hand when typing capitals with the left hand and the pinky of your left when typing capitals with the right.

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