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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Just received mine this week and while I prefer a 15”, this first generation is a fantastic purchase. Love the 3:2 screen and Linux support!

This has convinced me I need to invest time into KDE as well to help bring forward the fingerprint sensor into the UI.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> I've bought a new Thinkpad almost every year since 2006 But why?? If the current one isn't broken, why would you need to buy a new laptop and go through the hassle of setting it up? My laptop is from 2013 and is still fine. Parts of my desktop computer are from 2007 -- the case is from 1993, and nothing is more recent than 2015, and everything is running super smooth. Getting an entire new machine every single year…

If you read a little lower in the article he mentions it being a reward mechanism for stopping smoking. So each year he doesn't smoke, he rewards himself with a new laptop. Good strategy!

Yeah, this is rationalizing. You don't need to reward yourself every year for something you do once. You quit smoking, you get a reward, end of story.

Also, and that's where we differ (and kind of my point): setting up a new computer isn't a reward for me, it's a punishment.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

> we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable" Because it’s true. The thing is “power users” and “regular users” look at that tradeoff differently. The bad part of economies of scale is that they reward conformity (you can pick your model T in any color, as long as that color is black). The framework would a hard time competing in the general la…

The only reason these two groups look at it differently is because people in the "regular users" group don't know how bad things are, and how good things could be. What makes you think the Framework would have a hard time competing in the general laptop market? The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000 and comes with Windows 10 Home. It has a quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, and it's thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint:

XPS 13: $1020

* i5

* 8 GB RAM

* 256 GB storage

* 1920 x 1200 display

* 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6"

MacBook Pro: $1300

* M1

* 8 GB RAM

* 256 GB storage

* 2560 x 1600 display

* 1.4kg, 12" x 8.7" x 0.6"

This isn't even accounting for repairability as a feature. Consumers don't care about that as it stands, because they don't know they should. But once they realize, it will become a selling point, too.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

I'm impressed that they have managed to take this product to market, and I'm glad that people who value modularity will finally have a viable option. at the same time, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. you can upgrade both DIMMs, which is cool, but not exactly unheard of these days (I guess it's getting there in an ultraportable?). you're still stuck with DDR4, which is almost EOL, and the max capaci…

IMO, the selling point isn't that you can carry around the ports you might potentially use and swap them out whenever you need them, it's that you can buy a machine that's tailored to your setup and peripherals.

I bought a laptop at the beginning of 2020 after the GPU on my old one fried. What I wanted was something with a Cat6 and DisplayPort built in for when I'm in my office, and multiple USB-A ports for the peripherals I use (mouse/keyboard/mic/speakers). I had to settle for one with a single extra USB-C port, an additional USB-C hub to get enough USB-A ports and a Cat6, and an adaptor for the built-in HDMI port to hook up to the DisplayPort on my monitor, which set me back a total of like $100 on top of the cost of the laptop itself. The laptop also has a headset jack and large card reader that I have yet to use, so that's just wasted space that could have potentially been something I would have actually used.

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Two things: They are replaceable when the external ports (USB-C or otherwise) wear out without the need for soldering or internal board replacement. The design of the modules is open source, meaning that anyone can design a module that fits their needs.

how does a port “wear out”? i’ve never heard of that

It when You need to adjust cable multiple times until connection happen, and then work very careful to not move anything. Ports sometimes are very fragile. My old laptop has only 2 of 4 USB ports working.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

Counterpoint. I won't use a keyboard without one. I use a mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint. Not having a trackpoint means that I don't even have to think about whether I will buy a laptop, I already know that I won't. Touchpads have gotten better, but nothing beats the nub. That being said, every laptop I have ever owned has had a trackpoint, so I'm a definitely biased.

> I use a mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint. Not having a trackpoint means that I don't even have to think about whether I will buy a laptop, I already know that I won't.

Same here. TEX Shinobi?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The Framework has half the battery life of similarly sized alternatives. No one was lying to you.

Could you provide some sources to back up that claim? My first choice for laptop reviews ( https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-5-Review-I... ) did not show that to be the case

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light... Battery test section

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I find it hilarious that we spend multiple thousands of dollars on sleek, elegant hardware and then hook up chunky plastic dongles to overcome their bad hardware interfaces. So I love the idea of these ports (agreed, they're basically "recessed dongles"). I couldn't lose them / forget them. They wouldn't take up space in my bag while I'm traveling. I could "set and forget" them to perfectly match whatever desktop / d…

I don't understand the logic. When the original usb-c MBP came out I spent $30 on Monoprice for usb-c to whatever cables and never looked back. I even still have many of those cables 3 laptops later. People would actually comment about dongle gate in Meetups and I'd show them my usb-c to micro-usb cable... ...oh the look of shock in their eyes... "You mean... you never bought a dongle?". The concept of a cable with u…

what if I......want more than one usb port?

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Same here but for fan noise. Since I've gotten the m1 macbook air, I don't think I can go back to a laptop that runs hot and needs a fan. In the event that I must get a non-m1 laptop, I can definitely see myself buying the framework laptop and putting ubuntu on it.

I've never met someone before that cares about cpu fan noise. Genuinely. It never bothers me so I have never thought about it. Perhaps also because my workflow involves playing music when I work to make me more productive.

My MacBooks have generally been quiet, but not silent. Having lived with the M1 MacBook Air since it came out, I _never_ want to go back to a fan. Silence is a luxury.
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