I’m not in the market for a laptop in that price range, but if I was I would seriously consider it. I’ve had a Thinkpad X220 for some time now and done plenty of upgrades but changing out the lcd worries me too much to give it a shot and the second gen intel is starting to be a bit long in the tooth. However for basic computing I prefer my Pinebook Pro, it’s light and the screen is great.
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#432> I've bought a new Thinkpad almost every year since 2006
But why?? If the current one isn't broken, why would you need to buy a new laptop and go through the hassle of setting it up?
My laptop is from 2013 and is still fine. Parts of my desktop computer are from 2007 -- the case is from 1993, and nothing is more recent than 2015, and everything is running super smooth.
Getting an entire new machine every single year sounds hysterical. But maybe I don't know what I don't know.
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#433> I've bought a new Thinkpad almost every year since 2006 But why?? If the current one isn't broken, why would you need to buy a new laptop and go through the hassle of setting it up? My laptop is from 2013 and is still fine. Parts of my desktop computer are from 2007 -- the case is from 1993, and nothing is more recent than 2015, and everything is running super smooth. Getting an entire new machine every single year…
Sometimes people describe their problems with some technology and it makes me realize that we live completely different lives. I can't imagine buying the same device year after year, whether that's a phone, laptop, or whatever.
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Why are you growing unhappy? (I have a X1 Extreme Gen 1, and Legion 7, and Legion 5 Pro, so I'm curious)
Bundled spyware. That's why I swore off Lenovo.
I've bought it without any OS installed. But of course the general practice may be good reason to avoid Lenovo (if you can live without a TrackPoint, that is).
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ive seen a lot of requests for an AMD version but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support. Do you plan on running windows? If you are planning on Linux is the support really as bad as people complain. I say that because intel's linux support seems to me as top notch. ive never really had driver issues that i can think of
>but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support No, you don't. You see people complaining about NVIDIA's linux support.
Oh I’m glad I don’t. You know what I dreamt it all up. Thanks for clearing that up.
But honestly just subscribing to the Linux subreddit I see tons of amd gpu issues and never hear a peep out of Intel. But yes nvidia does win the prize for worst.
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#436Random feedback to framework on the configurator: it would be much nicer if all the options were just visible on one screen. Getting to the expansion slots page and not being able to remember how much base storage is in the configuration I chose means I have to go back two pages (and the page-loads are quite slow; hopefully that means you're doing great business?). Also, I'm sure limiting SKUs is a business decision, but it would be really nice to decouple CPU and RAM so I could choose an i5 with 32gb, for example.
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#437I would love to get one.
The main thing that stops me is that this is only a clever idea as long as Framework is viable as a business.
All the components here are proprietary to Framework (?)
If they should go out of business, which often happens with these efforts, then you have no way to source parts and you are stuck.
There really is not much customization they offer, at least not now. the expansion bays seem to be the major components now.
Selectable when you buy the machine: CPU (non replaceable?) , WIFI, Storage, memory,
power adapter yes/no, operating system yes / no
Not configurable: (yet?) Screen, Camera, Fingerprint reader, battery. Hardware switch for camera, NA.
A slight look back at laptops:
Old style laptops / enterprise laptops: ---------------------------------------- Battery can be swapped by sliding a open a plastic lock. Swap batteries in seconds.
Different sized batteries were available, some taking up more space giving your laptop a "bump".
RAM was beneath a small hatch easily accessible from the bottom of the unit by removing two screws and direct access.
Often the hard drive was accessible easily as well
Two bays with no tool swappable, cd, extra storage/2nd hard drive, and some more exotic things.
Then we had PCMCIA Card a long time ago. Most of my laptops had two bays. No tool swappable. Wide selection.
Farmework -------------
Switching out the battery is far too complicated: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery+Replacement+Guide/85...
>Be extremely careful when sliding the Battery connector out, >as it is very easy to accidently bend the pins. >Make sure to slide straight down, and avoid letting the >connector twist or bend.
You should not have to perform surgery on the box switch the battery.
It should not involve screws at all.
With the placement of the battery in Framework,, it is hard to see how they can upgrade it based on size limits. Hopefully, they will offer an extension battery of some sort .
Where is the space for the dvd/cdrom? (Some still use it. I love it for livecd, where the entire OS and file system is Read only. Every time you boot its clean.
4 user selectable expansions cards are unique and cool as long as they are available, and someone makes a wider assortment of them
It is really cool that you can got at the guts and replace things and it is great that this is available. I would just want to do a lot of it a lot easier.
Presumably, it become a h
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I find it hilarious that we spend multiple thousands of dollars on sleek, elegant hardware and then hook up chunky plastic dongles to overcome their bad hardware interfaces. So I love the idea of these ports (agreed, they're basically "recessed dongles"). I couldn't lose them / forget them. They wouldn't take up space in my bag while I'm traveling. I could "set and forget" them to perfectly match whatever desktop / d…
I don't understand the logic. When the original usb-c MBP came out I spent $30 on Monoprice for usb-c to whatever cables and never looked back. I even still have many of those cables 3 laptops later. People would actually comment about dongle gate in Meetups and I'd show them my usb-c to micro-usb cable... ...oh the look of shock in their eyes... "You mean... you never bought a dongle?". The concept of a cable with u…
Well... This is an idea I never had lol.
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A few things. The newer TrackPoint caps are not good. I actually had to order some 3D printed one from some Japanese guy. Also my Thinkpad T14 is throttling to the extent that I had to install tools [1] (?) that fix this problem. Battery seems to be bad as well. Intel by the way, I wanted to have Thunderbolt for an eGPU. [1]: https://github.com/erpalma/throttled
Work gave me a dell XPS last year. I had it for a Week and gave it back because when I turned it on. The fans spin full throttle. And the laptop still throttled itself. So I use my X1E for work. The nipple is as good but it’s flat for the thin profile. I upgraded all 3 laptops with more or better ram, wifi, and ssds. And currently ordering a Traditional Chinese keyboard for the L5P for the wifey. But I took AMD for t…
I regret not opting for the Ryzen variant, but I really wanted to replace my old desktop computer for the occasional gaming session (although they are rare these days) and hence the need for Thunderbolt.
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#440It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…
> we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable" Because it’s true. The thing is “power users” and “regular users” look at that tradeoff differently. The bad part of economies of scale is that they reward conformity (you can pick your model T in any color, as long as that color is black). The framework would a hard time competing in the general la…
>I’ve looking at their laptops since they announced, I’m just hoping they can release a Ryzen one, and then I’ll be on the fence between theirs and whatever Apple has to show for a ARM pro laptop (14”-15”).
I'm in the same boat. While I in principle would love to invest in a powerful AMD laptop with tons of upgradeability with decent Linux support, Apple's next offerings which may give upgraded displays, my favorite trackpads, impressive power and ~20 hours of battery life is very hard to ignore.