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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by MMS21 »

foxfluff wrote: post #132
MMS21 wrote: post #80

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That's weird. I always see people claiming AMD is superior for Linux due to their opensource drivers (intel and nvidia are not). btw certain distro devs were provided with Framework laptops a while back https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop

Intel does write open source drivers for Linux. In my experience they are more reliable than AMD's.

I could only find open source drivers for intel graphics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_graphics_...

https://01.org/linuxgraphics

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by throwawaycuriou »

SeanLuke wrote: post #389

Wait, wait, wait. The Framework is supposed to be entirely customizable. Except I have to buy Windows 10 Home, which has an OEM cost of, what, about $100? And I have to have the little Windows icon on my keyboard. This alone gets me thinking about other options.

You want the DIY edition.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by christophilus »

yupper32 wrote: post #345
destitude wrote: post #250

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Because MacBooks can't be easily fixed by end-users or upgradeable.

How often does that actually need to happen these days? It feels like a solution looking for a problem.

I switched to a Dell XPS + Linux when my Macbook crapped out after only a few months. The Apple store shipped it out and it took over a week before I got it back.

If that laptop had been a Framework laptop, I could have just ordered the part, swapped it out, and moved along.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by hyperman1 »

tombert wrote: post #53
ad133 wrote: post #7

This looks really cool, but the author... is... replacing their laptop every year ? Like, I'm writing this on an 8 year old MBP that has survived as my round-the-house driver because it still does everything well. My daily driver is getting on a bit now (3yr) and my desktop only just got replaced after 5 years. Forget the cost, but the waste!

Back when I was making crap wages, I would get the cheapest laptops I could afford that would more or less give me decent performance (on the order of ~$500-600). It's not too hard to find a new laptop that performs well at a reasonable price, but you always run the risk of them reclaiming those costs by cheaping out on all the mechanics of it, and it's not like I was able to afford paying ~$2000 for a high-quality m…

I found it's better to buy a second hand top model, or even last year's best on sale, than brand new low quality stuff.

It's a little less visible for laptops than for, say, kitchen appliances, but even there my thinkpad x220 was bought and upgraded for €400 in 2015, and it did its job well untill half way this year.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by jazzyjackson »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #354
strix_varius wrote: post #323

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I find it hilarious that we spend multiple thousands of dollars on sleek, elegant hardware and then hook up chunky plastic dongles to overcome their bad hardware interfaces. So I love the idea of these ports (agreed, they're basically "recessed dongles"). I couldn't lose them / forget them. They wouldn't take up space in my bag while I'm traveling. I could "set and forget" them to perfectly match whatever desktop / d…

I don't understand how this meme about "dongles" still exists. You know how I avoided using dongles? I just used USB-C cables. And for the very few things that don't have a detachable cable, I use a micro USB-C adapter. It's been several years since the release of the USB-C only MacBook Pros, this shouldn't be an issue if you put in a minimal amount of effort.

I have yet to see a USB-C thumb drive in the wild.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by redconfetti »

comeonseriously wrote: post #355

These look really good. I'll be in the market for a new linux laptop in a couple months and I really want to give System 76 my money because I like what they're doing, but this looks really good.

I was looking at System 76, but after reading some reviews it left me worried.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by ArgyleSound »

slabity wrote: post #187
topspin wrote: post #33

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Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

For what it's worth I don't think Apple has actually ever done this, and whatever made him believe they do was probably some other oversight during their disassembly/reassembly of the laptop

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by leppr »

caeril wrote: post #317
epistasis wrote: post #39

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Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

> I certainly don't. Reminder that Apple isn't the problem. Their customers are. I know movie quotes are seriously lowbrow for this audience, but somewhat relevant here, and correct: "That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that s…

The problem is that for most people there are no clear incentives to making the "good" choices in those matters, while there are many incentives to make the "bad" choice, like gaining an edge in the local competitive market by virtue of a more efficient tool. Prototypical tragedy of the commons.

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Post by fouc »

smoldesu wrote: post #167
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #9

I wish that I needed a laptop so that I could buy one. I sincerely hope this company succeeds so that they are around when I do need a laptop. > Yesterday, I put my 2019 Thinkpad on my pile of "laptops to refurbish and donate." I've bought a new Thinkpad almost every year since 2006. I think that's over. wat

If it's any consolation, I've bought a used Thinkpad every year since 2015.

how do you get rid of the doubly used Thinkpads?

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Post by stiltzkin »

ortusdux wrote: post #353
slabity wrote: post #187

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Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

Apple's consistently demonstrates that their most important customers are their shareholders. They are experts at walking the line between maximizing profits and alienating their regular customers. If they felt that a modular computer would have a higher ROI, they would be all over it. Honestly, I would not be surprised if Apple 'invented' the idea of 'integrated dongles' before their next keynote so they could sell…

That's the motto of any for-profit company, you vote with your money.
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