He lost a little bit of credibility saying the Macbooks have terrible build quality… compared to a thinkpad they are on par or better, compared to everything else they are head and shoulders above.
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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#72It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…
Do you actually have any example of a corporation that makes laptops saying that it’s impossible to have slim laptops that are customizable? I would be very surprised if this ever happened, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.
Do you have an example of a corporation that makes laptops that says it’s possible?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
2013 MacBook Air daily driver here. MagSafe? Usb A? Sd card reader? User replaceable battery? Runs Linux? All checks. It’s light on RAM (which for just chrome and light app use honestly it’s fine).
It just haa a horrible screen resolution.
yeah 1440x900 does kinda stink, but the screen is so small it doesn't really bother me too much. plasma does a good job shrinking itself down enough and virtual desktops help. 99% its a full screen chromium window so who cares.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they are BGA chips designed to be soldered on, and most people do not have the capacity to do that at home.
And why are they BGA chips these days? That's the real problem. Did mobile CPUs somehow advance past desktop ones while I wasn't looking?
Any kind of socket would require additional height. Probably at least 5mm. And you would certainly want to avoid that on mobile devices. For memory thats less of a problem, because you can plug it from the side, but CPUs have way more pins, so that won't work.
Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#75It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…
I don't even care about slim. Light yes. Slim doesn't really do a whole lot for me past a certain point (which for me was a decade ago). Being able to replace parts is way more important.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."
Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.
The only a tiny minority of people probably care about the upgradability of their laptop. Many many more probably care about the repairability of their laptop, though.
Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#77It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…
Do you actually have any example of a corporation that makes laptops saying that it’s impossible to have slim laptops that are customizable? I would be very surprised if this ever happened, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.
You know, I can't think of a concrete example of that, when pressed, so it is possible this was just something repeated to me by coworkers and friends doing Apple apologia, and I just treated it as a truth. A quick Google doesn't appear to show Apple or any other corporation saying it, so I'll take the L on it.
I think my overall point still stands. I still find it irritating that, until very recently, the only way to get a nice, slim laptop was to accept that everything is hard-wired in. Framework proved that that's not correct.
Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#78This looks really cool, but the author... is... replacing their laptop every year ? Like, I'm writing this on an 8 year old MBP that has survived as my round-the-house driver because it still does everything well. My daily driver is getting on a bit now (3yr) and my desktop only just got replaced after 5 years. Forget the cost, but the waste!
What you're supposed to do, apparently, is buy a brand-new laptop, use it for a few months, then flip it on eBay before it gets too old so you can recover most of what you spent on it and buy the next new laptop.
I worked with a guy who practiced this with all his personal hardware.
Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#79I don't personally want an exciting laptop. I want a laptop that works with all my other stuff (phone, tv, printer, various software) the moment I open it.
Highlighted on the Linus Tech Tips video on the Framework laptop, there are thoughtful touches like drivers installing in unattended mode upon OS install, so the team clearly puts importance on that seamless functional experience too.
Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
#80>That tool – a small screwdriver – is also sufficient to upgrade the CPU CPU isn't up-gradable without switching out the entire mainboard, which I'm fine with, once I get an AMD version that is :)
ive seen a lot of requests for an AMD version but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support. Do you plan on running windows? If you are planning on Linux is the support really as bad as people complain. I say that because intel's linux support seems to me as top notch. ive never really had driver issues that i can think of
That's weird. I always see people claiming AMD is superior for Linux due to their opensource drivers (intel and nvidia are not).
btw certain distro devs were provided with Framework laptops a while back