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Re: iOS 15

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Post by DantesKite »

zatkin wrote: post #184
nicwolff wrote: post #22

Still supported on the 1st Gen iPhone SE, nice.

I’m using this device now and it sure does pack a punch! I do have to charge it throughout the day when on heavy usage, but it’s snappy and responsive just like my previous device, iPhone 12 Pro.

I had the first generation iPhone SE. Great phone. Some part of the phone degraded though and it started rapidly overheating, and then the iPhone SE (second generation) came out.

If yours dies, I recommend that one. It’s a love letter to the first generation.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by cmg »

vxNsr wrote: post #129
hyperstar wrote: post #59

My i-thing says it's up to date at 12.5.4. Wonder what that means securitywise.

Looks like you lost updates a few years ago, if anything big securitywise happens there's a chance they'll fix it otherwise you just gotta be hopeful you don't run into anything nefarious.

That's where I'm at with my iPad, which is stuck at iOS 10. It still works pretty well for taking notes or browsing the web, even though that version of Safari is getting pretty old.

For security, it's completely signed out of iCloud and all other services, and Safari is mostly for research purposes (so no social media, email, etc).

Re: iOS 15

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Post by GeekyBear »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #192
Jtsummers wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they get 30 (?) hits then they review the data and then they refer it to law enforcement if the reviewers determine that they were CSAM images. It's not for a single collision and it's not immediately referred to law enforcement. There are still major risks and concerns with this model, but at least describe it correctly.

Why should technology so bad it needs thirty mulligans have the power to completely destroy your life? And exactly how are they obligated to keep those policies? Answer: they aren't. There isn't some law saying '30 hits before we report you', and Apple is certainly going to drop the number as the public gets more used to the idea of CSAM. They'll keep dropping it until the news articles start coming out about how it'…

Again, Google and Microsoft have already been scanning everything on your account for the past decade without any such protections against incriminating users based on false positives.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by perfectstorm »

jkelleyrtp wrote: post #7

Apple Maps is so close to being a fantastic app, but is sorely missing “search along route” that Google has. Right now, you can press the “coffee” or “gas” button but there’s no way to say, search for a CVS on the way back home from work. I really wish Apple added this instead of just suggesting searches that might be useful.

does it support offline maps/offline navigation? why don't they support offline maps? it's not like they have to pay royalty fees to support it when they own it end to end.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by defaultname »

Someone1234 wrote: post #70
paxys wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these apps (Facetime, iMessage, Safari, Maps, Wallet, Photos) aren't built using their public SDK but rather have deep dependencies on the OS itself.

Which is why when these apps suffer a security vulnerability they've resulted in privilege escalation (inc. root) previously. I actually think it is a bad look for Apple not to dogfood their own public APIs. Microsoft used to do the same thing with Windows and Office, and it was a bad look then too. Credit to Google on this, since many of their apps are just normal apps. No special privileges or bypasses. Even their…

How Apple distributes their core apps (Safari, Mail, etc) is orthogonal to how they are implemented, secured, ring levels, sandboxing, etc. These are separate considerations.

Apple's core philosophy is that upgrading the system is the fundamental way to get new things. With iOS 15 we've seen the first real fracture in this model (where they are promoting a "stay on iOS 14 for now" option), and maybe eventually they'll separately distribute some of the tied applications.

Google started Android with a very similar model to iOS but quickly recognized it was turning into a disaster given the slow uptake of new Android versions. Turning what were system level components (e.g. play services) into "apps" was a necessity.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by newsbinator »

sharikous wrote: post #197
KennyBlanken wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Run an on-device scan against a hash database. Using a technology shown to have very frequent collisions. And then they notify law enforcement if they get a hit. Which means even if you're innocent - all your devices get confiscated for months, you probably rack up tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, maybe lose your job, probably lose your friends and get the boot from any social organizations or groups. They…

> Two, to slide it into a point release after some minor, inconsequential change to say they "listened to users." I doubt it will happen. Apple is not known for that sort of interaction. Whatever will happen it will happen silently without Apple admitting to bend down to any backlash. Also, the pressure to implement device scanning is coming from governments. So it is naive to think Apple will ever surrender. Most pr…

> Apple is not known for that sort of interaction.

Apple was not known to err on the side of "think of the children" or "let's help catch criminals" instead of personal privacy. But now they're known for new things.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by jonfw »

sneak wrote: post #156
DanTheManPR wrote: post #58

Apple continues to support OS updates on the iPhone 6s, a device released almost 6 years ago. Nor is it reserved for their flagship models - the 2016 iPhone SE also gets the latest and greatest. Meanwhile, my flagship android phone from 2018, the Samsung Galaxy S9, is stuck on the last version of Android. At least it still gets security updates, some manufacturers don't even go that far.

Meanwhile, after having every single major iPhone version since the original jesusphone, I'm switching from iOS to Android because I'd rather run out-of-date hardware and slightly more out-of-date software just to not have my phone spy on my local media contents for a remote master. Apple's days as a head-and-shoulders above clear winner are over.

You think switching from Apple to Google is a plus for your privacy?

Re: iOS 15

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Post by rsfinn »

b3nji wrote: post #147

The Facetime update. Enabling you to be even further away from people interaction, including, but not limited to, watching a thing while on a Facetime conversion? This truly is the end if all things

So I don't know whether you've noticed, but there's this thing that's been going around that makes some people want to keep their distance from other people, even if they might otherwise want to converse with them?

More seriously: my father, who is about to turn 94, lives 500+ miles away from me, and I haven't seen him face-to-face for a long time. It would be nice to be able to watch a baseball game "together", for instance. I hope I can talk him through setting up FaceTime...

Re: iOS 15

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Post by Jtsummers »

defaultname wrote: post #215
Someone1234 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why when these apps suffer a security vulnerability they've resulted in privilege escalation (inc. root) previously. I actually think it is a bad look for Apple not to dogfood their own public APIs. Microsoft used to do the same thing with Windows and Office, and it was a bad look then too. Credit to Google on this, since many of their apps are just normal apps. No special privileges or bypasses. Even their…

How Apple distributes their core apps (Safari, Mail, etc) is orthogonal to how they are implemented, secured, ring levels, sandboxing, etc. These are separate considerations. Apple's core philosophy is that upgrading the system is the fundamental way to get new things. With iOS 15 we've seen the first real fracture in this model (where they are promoting a "stay on iOS 14 for now" option), and maybe eventually they'l…

> Google started Android with a very similar model to iOS but quickly recognized it was turning into a disaster given the slow uptake of new Android versions. Turning what were system level components (e.g. play services) into "apps" was a necessity.

Apple hasn't had that same "pain" yet, iOS update rates are pretty high. If major OS update rates drop, then they'd be better motivated to cleanly separate their app updates from their OS updates. It just hasn't happened yet.

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/06/04/ios-14-installation-rat...

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