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An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by chrischen »

varelse wrote: post #143
ianleeclark wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a mantra at this point that polarization has gotten out of control, but one of the biggest effects it seems to have is this reverse-psychology effect I've long thought the best way of reaching 100% vaccination in the US was to have competing Democrat and Republican vaccines. Democrats could don a dashiki and say one thing while Republicans could put up a crack smoking pillow salesman to say another.

This was a stroke of pure genius by this writer at Breitbart IMO. Spoilers: it breaks the narrative so it doesn't work. https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-how...

Article reads like a either 1) an infiltrated "leftist" trying to appeal to the hard right in their dialect or 2) the hard right elite losing control of their sheep.

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by mensetmanusman »

clairity wrote: post #106
Torwald wrote: post #76

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religion + politics = religion (?) eg. Aztec empire edit: the Aztec empire is an example for this. The religion was politically enforced and thus the political system became part of the religion. So the question is, isn't religion a case that refutes the parent's hypothessis.

religion is a way to coalesce and exert power on large groups of people. religion is politics.

That’s a political view of religion, most religious I know are simply asking ‘why something instead of nothing?’

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by chrischen »

eunos wrote: post #140
ianleeclark wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a mantra at this point that polarization has gotten out of control, but one of the biggest effects it seems to have is this reverse-psychology effect I've long thought the best way of reaching 100% vaccination in the US was to have competing Democrat and Republican vaccines. Democrats could don a dashiki and say one thing while Republicans could put up a crack smoking pillow salesman to say another.

Make 1 vaccine brand "endorsed by Republican" and other brand "endorsed by Democrat"

I think the vaccine endorsed by the right is called Ivermectin.

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by nkrisc »

armchairhacker wrote: post #146
void_mint wrote: post #136

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> And now it’s too late, since many conservatives got so invested in the fact that covid-19 is fake, and people can’t admit when they’re wrong. I wish liberals were more sympathetic and tried to make it easier for conservatives to accept the vaccine instead of mocking and shaming. But it’s so hard to get people to admit when they’re wrong. It's interesting that you didn't say "I wish more conservatives would admit th…

No I do put most of the blame on conservatives. They're the ones who aren't taking vaccines or wearing masks. It just doesn't excuse some liberals from encouraging this left/right divide and just being nasty. Things like r/HermanCainAward, being proud when vaccine deniers get sick. At least understand that when someone is literally putting themselves in danger, they're not evil or selfish, they're delusional and misi…

Everyone has a choice. They choose their actions, they choose who to listen to, they choose what to believe. They choose to be open or closed minded. They choose to listen to new ideas or not.

A lot of people are choosing wrong and suffering for it. They had a choice. No one can take that away from them, they always had a choice.

Propaganda only works if you choose to believe it.

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by OJFord »

simonh wrote: post #64
indy wrote: post #31

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As someone mentioned on Twitter: "When you mix Science with Politics you end up with Politics"

Anything + Politics = Politics

And also Science + Anything = Not Science, I suppose!

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by memling »

advael wrote: post #98

It's a mantra at this point that polarization has gotten out of control, but one of the biggest effects it seems to have is this reverse-psychology effect I'm in a big American city, and I remember that until the online kids and snarky liberals started moralizing about mask protocol, there wasn't as much resistance to wearing masks among right-wing crazies. I remember when there was that controversy about 5G networks…

> I'm in a big American city, and I remember that until the online kids and snarky liberals started moralizing about mask protocol, there wasn't as much resistance to wearing masks among right-wing crazies.

The Law always provokes its opposite.

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by MCllorf »

void_mint wrote: post #136
armchairhacker wrote: post #122

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I do know some conservative, religious, pro-Trump communities were very focused on stopping the spread of covid and locking down. It wasn’t a partisan issue, it was common knowledge that covid-19 made people sick and we had to stop it. Until Donald Trump decided to say covid-19 is a hoax and preventative measures are unnecessary. Presumably because he‘s so contrarian that anything the Democrats supported he opposed a…

> And now it’s too late, since many conservatives got so invested in the fact that covid-19 is fake, and people can’t admit when they’re wrong. I wish liberals were more sympathetic and tried to make it easier for conservatives to accept the vaccine instead of mocking and shaming. But it’s so hard to get people to admit when they’re wrong. It's interesting that you didn't say "I wish more conservatives would admit th…

It feels like in a lot of circles now the expectation is for Conservatives to be unreasonable idiots, so people tend to put the blame on non-conservatives in the same way you'd blame the parent for raising a snotty child

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by justicezyx »

TheCowboy wrote: post #109

The best piece that one can read on the origin of covid is by Zeynep: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.h... I am still confused how people think that it being an accidental "lab leak" is any more damning of the role China played in the initial outbreak. China made a lot of mistakes and also kept other countries in the dark for way too long no matter the origin. It can also serve as a warning…

> China made a lot of mistakes and also kept other countries in the dark for way too long no matter the origin.

Let's make that mistake and blackout in the scale.

Let's compare China's mistake and blackout against US, the closest nation in population and economy scale.

Well, now we see that China's mistake and blackout are indeed less damaging then US' mistake and blackout...

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by mardifoufs »

chrischen wrote: post #183
eunos wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make 1 vaccine brand "endorsed by Republican" and other brand "endorsed by Democrat"

I think the vaccine endorsed by the right is called Ivermectin.

Trump has endorsed the vaccine repeatedly and at the time when democrats were literally saying not to trust the vaccine. So I'm not sure about that

Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

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Post by justicezyx »

glitchc wrote: post #124
TheCowboy wrote: post #109

The best piece that one can read on the origin of covid is by Zeynep: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.h... I am still confused how people think that it being an accidental "lab leak" is any more damning of the role China played in the initial outbreak. China made a lot of mistakes and also kept other countries in the dark for way too long no matter the origin. It can also serve as a warning…

I think what it really brings to light (at least for me) is the incompetence of the CCP in the matter. I have no qualms about China conducting research in this regard, other countries are doing it too and we would be naive to think otherwise. However, if it is proven to be true that gain of function research was being conducted at the Wuhan laboratory, it highlights the sheer stupidity of the government in thinking t…

> the incompetence of the CCP in the matter.

Oh, how incompetent. They shut down a 10MM population city overnight...

If any other one can do that for a 1MM population city, we'd have a nice vacation in some random city on earth...

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