6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

Post by toxik » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 1:43 PM UTC

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You are surely aware that there were FAR more wars before this. War was basically just a fact of life for most people in most of our settled past.

There have been other periods of global peace caused by domination of a single power, no one else argues that it was a good thing for everyone else involved. I could try and argue India is now a better place because the period know as Pax Britannica almost gave them the toilet but you'd rightly consider me a mad man. Do you think any of the places listed above were improved by being turned in to weapon testing ranges…

Post by cvwright » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

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>How much does peace cost? > Has anybody ever costed it? Depends on what you mean by 'tools' but I would say the Marshall plan, roughly $100B in today's money, would be a good example of this. Explicit investment to rebuild Europe after WW2. Some say this was because they learned it worked out badly to leave Germany broke and broken after WW1 (fertile ground for facism). Others might say it was because a prosperous E…

The only reason why the Marshall plan worked is because there was a world war and nearly everybody in Europe decided "not again". Other countries have not made this experience and for them military conflict (or threat of conflict) is still a valid and legitimate way to protect their interests and expand their sphere of influence (see China and the South China sea). What worked in one place will not necessarily work e…

Post by scoopertrooper » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 2:26 PM UTC

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Crazy idea, some employees take certain days off while others take different days off. You know, like how every other critical industry operates operates, and how public transportation works in countries that don't shut it down once a week.

That is assuming that there is demand for those service in the days where otherwise it would have been shut down (Sun or Fri or Sat). If a place ~90% shuts down on a particular day, running a skeleton service with limited staff may not be viable due to the fact that most of the infra needs to be nearly 100% operational to support skeleton crews and vehicles. And also it may involve lot of planning to run skeleton ope…

Post by mariuolo » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:04 PM UTC

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That doesn't affect the EU as a whole. Sweden is skeptical about giving EU that role anyway, they're working for closer strategic ties to the US, and have signed agreements to that effect. They already chose Patriot over a German/French project for air defense.

They've never been team players. Don't forget they were happily building Nazi tank parts in WWII while playing nice with the allies. On the other hand, many EU countries have picked US fighters over Swedish offerings like the Gripen. It does go both ways. I'd love to see the EU more militarily independent from the US. Especially because they tend to start wars for economic reasons. Sponsoring the military industrial…

Post by 0xdeadb00f » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:14 PM UTC

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> I know there is no handbook for peace What does peace look like to you? Do people just stop fighting and start loving their neighbours? You mentioned Jerusalem. I'm Israeli, so I'm biased towards one side of the Jerusalem story but let me try to frame the other side of the story as to not play my biases. I probably won't be accurate because my propaganda is different from their propaganda. And I won't reply because…

> Will that be enough for them to embrace no public transportation on Saturdays, even though their culture would have it be Fridays? Crazy idea. Jews drive/catch public transportation on Fridays, muslims drive/catch transportation on Saturdays, and the rest of us ride around everyday of the week, because in what world is any of this a good idea?