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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by sdrawkcabmai »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

I wonder if gps tracking got messed up. Isn’t he under some type of bridge? That causes gps reflections and other forms of ghosting.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by lakis »

yunohn wrote: post #347
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #326

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I'm actually in complete agreement! What sticks out to me is your assessment that the flight environment is "embarrassingly simple from an automation perspective", which I agree as well (as compared to cars). And yet despite that simplicity and decades at it, we still run it with an incredible robust infrastructure to have a human oversee the tech. We have super robust procedures for checking and cross-checking the a…

> we still run it with an incredible robust infrastructure to have a human oversee the tech Airplanes are responsible for 200-300+ lives at a time, so it’s quite incomparable to road vehicles. Of course it makes sense to have human oversight in case something goes wrong. On the flip side, the average car driver is not very skilled nor equipped to deal with most surprises - hence the ever present danger of road traffi…

> Airplanes are responsible for 200-300+ lives at a time, so it’s quite incomparable to road vehicles Your analogy is wrong. Buses can have 50 people. I would compare a bus to a medium/small airplane.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by huslage »

mike_d wrote: post #370
cptskippy wrote: post #364

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If you watch the Tesla AI day presentation they explain the separation of duties that kind of explains what's happening. The actual routing comes from something like Google Maps that is constantly evaluating driving conditions and finding the optimal route to the destination. It does this based on the vehicle's precise location but irrespective of the vehicle's velocity or time to next turn. The actual AI driving the…

But the navigation guidance didn't change in this case. If such a trivial and obvious edge case as navigation changing during the route isn't handled, it just shows how hopelessly behind Tesla is.

The navigation is not in control of the driving. At all. It is only suggesting a route.

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Post by tsimionescu »

nautilius wrote: post #430
tsimionescu wrote: post #296

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When your technology starts working only when the entire world changes dramatically, you probably don't have a great technology idea. In particular, road maintenance is already expensive and often left to rot. Still, current driving is relatively robust - even if a few signs are damaged or go missing, no major issues will occur. Road signs keep working even during storms, even if there is no power, even if something…

>When your technology starts working only when the entire world changes dramatically, you probably don't have a great technology idea. Exactly! No wonder those pesky horseless carriages never caught on!

Cars had value without the need for major changes in the world. Road signs were codified and universally implemented only after cars proved their worth. Roads were not invented for cars, road-ready cars had existed for a good few thousand years before the first actual car.

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Post by zwily »

joe_the_user wrote: post #388
yunohn wrote: post #347

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> we still run it with an incredible robust infrastructure to have a human oversee the tech Airplanes are responsible for 200-300+ lives at a time, so it’s quite incomparable to road vehicles. Of course it makes sense to have human oversight in case something goes wrong. On the flip side, the average car driver is not very skilled nor equipped to deal with most surprises - hence the ever present danger of road traffi…

The claim that self-driving cars are being held-up to a higher standard than human drivers is simply false. Self-driving cars so far have a far worse record than the average of human drivers, which is remarkably good. Human accidents are measure in term of "per million miles driven ". Self-driving cars have driven a tiny total distance compared to all the miles human drivers have driven. See: https://en.wikipedia.org…

What’s the “accidents per million miles driven” metric at for self driving cars?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by nautilius »

tsimionescu wrote: post #435
nautilius wrote: post #430

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>When your technology starts working only when the entire world changes dramatically, you probably don't have a great technology idea. Exactly! No wonder those pesky horseless carriages never caught on!

Cars had value without the need for major changes in the world. Road signs were codified and universally implemented only after cars proved their worth. Roads were not invented for cars, road-ready cars had existed for a good few thousand years before the first actual car.

Yeah, everyone remembers the famous 8 lane interstates built by the Romans, cutting through Europe, with gas stations every 16 miles. The only thing we needed to adapt were the road signs!

So you see no qualitative difference between a couple of horse carriage crossing the North American plains, and an Interstate system (that requires no stopping) with gas stations, motels, parking lots, malls, suburbs?

Have you looked at maps of cities with roads and parking lots? Cities in north America are literally built / rebuilt around cars, cities in Europe heavily modified.

Or, conversely, that means you find any advance towards autonomy in cars, in their current form, such as lane assistants, or working well in good weather on interstates, etc. is completely worthless?

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Post by sidlls »

lanstin wrote: post #425
sidlls wrote: post #141

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Something every software engineer should learn before their insufferable egos solidify.

Maybe a good interview question for experienced developers should be "tell us about a time when you attempted something in software and failed at it." In my case it was being given a 10 or 20 KLOC C server that had memory leaks all over and segfaults all over the place (written by a friend) and told to make it prod ready.

That's a rough one. Mine was fixing some physics/flight aerodynamics software that had been generated by a Fortran-to-C compiler (e.g., http://www.netlib.org/f2c/). It was in inscrutable mess and couple-years-out-of-academic-physics-turned-SE me thought I'd be able to do it easily since I had so much Fortran and C experience. I failed quite hard at that.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by tsimionescu »

nautilius wrote: post #437
tsimionescu wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars had value without the need for major changes in the world. Road signs were codified and universally implemented only after cars proved their worth. Roads were not invented for cars, road-ready cars had existed for a good few thousand years before the first actual car.

Yeah, everyone remembers the famous 8 lane interstates built by the Romans, cutting through Europe, with gas stations every 16 miles. The only thing we needed to adapt were the road signs! So you see no qualitative difference between a couple of horse carriage crossing the North American plains, and an Interstate system (that requires no stopping) with gas stations, motels, parking lots, malls, suburbs? Have you look…

There is a huge difference between a technology that is useful in the current world, as cars were at their inception, but can be significantly be improved by infrastructure; and a technology that requires a huge change in the world's infrastructure before it becomes useful.

That is, if autonomous cars can improve safety or convenience on current infrastructure, they will prevail, and new infrastructure will develop with them in mind. But if they are only useful after such changes, they will likely linger for decades before any adoption.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by nautilius »

tsimionescu wrote: post #439
nautilius wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, everyone remembers the famous 8 lane interstates built by the Romans, cutting through Europe, with gas stations every 16 miles. The only thing we needed to adapt were the road signs! So you see no qualitative difference between a couple of horse carriage crossing the North American plains, and an Interstate system (that requires no stopping) with gas stations, motels, parking lots, malls, suburbs? Have you look…

There is a huge difference between a technology that is useful in the current world, as cars were at their inception, but can be significantly be improved by infrastructure; and a technology that requires a huge change in the world's infrastructure before it becomes useful. That is, if autonomous cars can improve safety or convenience on current infrastructure, they will prevail, and new infrastructure will develop w…

You did not answer: Do you find any advance towards autonomy in cars, in their current form, such as lane assistants, or working well in good weather on interstates, etc. is completely worthless?

Autonomy today is in the same situation that cars once were; even the current state of 'autonomy' has obvious advantages already and will only become more in the future.

Edit: How do you think cars were useful at their inception? Slow, with a range of a few miles, needed to be rebuilt every few miles, gas to be bought in pharmacies. Quite a bit had to change before cars became something practically useful beyond showing 'I am rich'.

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