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Reminder that Tesla will kill critical videos of FSD, but still to this day has not taken down the fabricated "full self driving demo" from their own website since 2016: https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware... Tesla (and fanboys) say that they are clear about the limited capabilities of Autopilot and FSD when in reality, they indirectly support all fan-videos by letting them live on YouTube wh…
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If a pedestrian got hurt, what would be the legal liability of the driver who didn't have his hands on the steering wheel?
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This person is not a Tesla employee being trained and paid to test this extremely dangerous piece of software that has already killed at least 11 people. This is obviously unacceptable, and no other self-driving company has taken the insane step of letting beta testers try out their barely functional software.
FSD Beta has never killed anyone. Maybe you're confusing it with Autopilot, which is different software, but also has saved much more people than killed. I'm not saying that safety couldn't be improved, for example by disengaging more easily in situations where it isn't confident. One heuristic would be when it changes route suddenly, like in this scenario.
Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…
I've watched quite a few FSD videos and in almost every single one the car barely knows what it wants. The route jumps all over the place. I'm pretty sure it's just the nature of their system using cameras and the noisy data that can generate. The sat nav didn't update the route to go that way. The FSD system decided to. It probably completely lost track of the road ahead because of the unmarked section of the road a…
The actual routing comes from something like Google Maps that is constantly evaluating driving conditions and finding the optimal route to the destination. It does this based on the vehicle's precise location but irrespective of the vehicle's velocity or time to next turn.
The actual AI driving the car is trying to find a path along a route that can change suddenly and without consideration. It's like when your passenger is navigating and says "Turn here now!" instead of giving you advanced notice.
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A DUI, in California for instance, means you’re suspended for months (years if you’re a repeat offender). Since it’s basically the same “driver” driving all FSD Teslas, are you arguing that they should be suspended under the same rules for drunken behavior? If so, they will basically be out of commission indefinitely, and we won’t see headlines anymore.
No, my point is that this is overblown just because it's Tesla and people love drama, so this makes headlines and trending topics. My comparison with drunken drivers is just with the regards to the odd behavior. If you look at a drunk driver (or even someone that fell asleep in the wheel) with a near crash, many times it would resemble this video. But the outrage from the public differs vastly.
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The car almost certainly decided that the road ahead was blocked. For context, this release of FSD is the first to use a new obstacle detection technique, and as a result it is the first one that doesn't drive directly into the pillars on that street without perceiving them at all. So it's very likely that this new obstacle detection system glitched out here.
Yeah I’d have to say just stop using FSD underneath a monorail. I haven’t seen as much failures in suburbs
I have FSD but not the beta. When cars cut across my lane autopilot will not react for a solid second or so, then proceeds to slam on the brakes after the car is clear. It does not instill confidence to say the least. From my POV it feels like someone put a debounce on the reaction to prevent phantom breaking, to the point the car doesn’t brake when it needs to.
The part that always bothered me most about AP on the highway was how willing it is to drive full speed into an obvious problem. Obvious for me, that is. Dense merging traffic, for example -- I can see the conflict coming, I can read the way people are driving on that on-ramp, and I take defensive action. My Tesla would just drive right into the center of that mess than then panic when things got crazy. I no longer h…
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Just to point to another possibility, since the drivers right hand is not in shot, even though his left hand is carefully poised over the steering wheel for the whole shot, it also looks like he pulled hard on the steering wheel with his right hand. That might explain the car trying to re-route on the display, although I'm not even sure it does. To me it looks like the black line disappears into compression artefacts…
You can see his right hand reflected in the display, it was just idle during the event.
Crazy how it handled a shitty situation like around 6:55 in https://streamable.com/grihhc but failed there. Guess that shows what most of the ADAS engineers already know, the really hard part are those last few percentage points to make it actually reliable.
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Yes, and that's what makes it interesting in my mind. Where was the car going?
The car probably thought the pedestrian was an emergency vehicle, given the person was wearing a bright red coat and Teslas on FSD have a habit of crashing into them. To Downvoters: Well it is actually true. [0] and just recently another crash involving an emergency vehicle. [1] So there is a strange habit with Tesla FSD and red objects in its view. Given those incidents, care to explain why I am wrong? [0] https://w…
Because even in cases where cars have hit emergency vehicles, it's because the software didn't see the vehicles at all and just continued driving straight in its lane. Whatever flaws the Tesla vision system may have, the idea that it is programmed to deliberately seek out and crash into emergency vehicles seems pretty far-fetched (much less that it would mistake a person wearing a red coat for an emergency vehicle and therefore attempt to crash into it); I assume this is why people are downvoting you.
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I've watched quite a few FSD videos and in almost every single one the car barely knows what it wants. The route jumps all over the place. I'm pretty sure it's just the nature of their system using cameras and the noisy data that can generate. The sat nav didn't update the route to go that way. The FSD system decided to. It probably completely lost track of the road ahead because of the unmarked section of the road a…
If you watch the Tesla AI day presentation they explain the separation of duties that kind of explains what's happening. The actual routing comes from something like Google Maps that is constantly evaluating driving conditions and finding the optimal route to the destination. It does this based on the vehicle's precise location but irrespective of the vehicle's velocity or time to next turn. The actual AI driving the…
If such a trivial and obvious edge case as navigation changing during the route isn't handled, it just shows how hopelessly behind Tesla is.