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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by lou1306 »

ycuser2 wrote: post #354
john_moscow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

Where's Windows ME?

It should be in Windows 2000's place. ME was a Windows 9x system, 2000 was part of the NT family.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by adrianN »

phkahler wrote: post #296
coliveira wrote: post #286

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The sad reality is that UX groups don't want to fix existing UIs, they want to design new ones. That's the whole issue here. MS wants to hire and retain the best UI people, but those people don't want to fix a UI that was created 20 years ago.

>> UX groups don't want to fix existing UIs, they want to design new ones. Maybe they need to check their ego at the door and do the job they're paid to do? There's a reason it's called work and not happy-fun-time.

Or they just work for the competition where they're allowed to design new things.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by faeyanpiraat »

john_moscow wrote: post #351
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

Vista was fine, no idea what's all the hate about.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by mr_toad »

notatoad wrote: post #210
jarjoura wrote: post #172

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This sounds good in theory, but when Microsoft did just that in 2011 with Windows 8, it ended up backfiring on them big time. It's pretty clear Windows has organizational and structural problems. Mainly because every product they release is always only 80% there. For some reason, whatever it is, it gets mostly finished, shipped and then abandoned and moved into maintenance mode. Yet, it works for them. They usually a…

>This sounds good in theory, but when Microsoft did just that in 2011 with Windows 8, it ended up backfiring on them big time. the problem was that while windows 8 had *somebody* with a vision behind it, the vision never really made it through to the product. windows 8 was obviously the product of a dysfunctional system that was pulling in two completely opposite directions - the consumer devices side who wanted mode…

At least some business users love leaving greasy fingerprints all over their surfaces.

First pre used surface I got I practically had to sterilise.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by imgabe »

ycuser2 wrote: post #354
john_moscow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

Where's Windows ME?

We do not speak of Windows ME

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by hef19898 »

lou1306 wrote: post #361
ycuser2 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where's Windows ME?

It should be in Windows 2000's place. ME was a Windows 9x system, 2000 was part of the NT family.

It is too long ago to properly remember, but during this time when building my desktops I always insisted on getting NT and then Windows 2000 in place of the consumer versions. Had some funny discussions with shops when buying licenses.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Joeri »

jussij wrote: post #253
Dork1234 wrote: post #211

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The only people that say Win32 apps are scalable are the ones that haven't dealt with legacy code. There is jut too much legacy code that either doesn't work, or doesn't work correctly with HiDPI screens.

At a minimum, for a Win32 application to work correctly with HiDPI it needs to tell the OS it is DPI aware. This is done by marking the application DPI aware using the settings found in the manifest file. The manifest file is then embedded into the resource section of the application, which then lets the OS know the application will be handling it's own DPI. So the reason many of those 'legacy apps' don't work with H…

Applications also have to listen for messages that indicate a dpi change (moving between screens) and recalculate and redraw everything for the new dpi. The legacy codebases which are easily retrofitted to do that are the stuff of myths and legends.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by arcosdev »

oscribinn wrote: post #341
speakersPushAir wrote: post #277

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A built-in X for WSL

If only WSL2 wasn't half baked dogshit that breaks all networked features over VPN and this release didn't spin up my work computer's fans to max at all times, windows 11 might be usable.

It's so true. My work laptop is unusable running wsl2.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by tablespoon »

john_moscow wrote: post #351
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

> * Windows 10 fixed it

Windows 10 is biggest garbage fire POS Windows version yet, because of their new update model. For the last several months, I've been unable to install the mandatory (for non-enterprise users) feature update patches. They fail to install with a cryptic error code and get rolled back. If I don't get this figured out soon, I'm not going to be able to get security patches anymore.

I should be able to get a version that's stable (enterprise licensees get access to LTSC versions that never are required to install feature updates), but they've denied everyone else. The best I could do was buy professional, which let me delay the patches for up to a year (instead of only a week or two). My understanding is MS laid off most of their Windows QA team, and replaced it with home users drafted to become guinea pigs plus telemetry, and the lack of it shows.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by beezischillin »

john_moscow wrote: post #351
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

I had loads of non-UI issues with 8, 8.1 and even more with 10. For example suspend was completely broken on a Surface Pro on 10, while on my desktop it would mess up the filesystem on a drive every few days. They fixed most of them eventually but it took a long while. I’ll prolly upgrade somewhere just to get the free license (I assume there’s gonna be a cutoff date again) and then go back to 10 right after
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