I'd love to say "I would never install windows 11!"
But microsoft already decided that for me. I don't have any TPM chips.
And I'm definitely not going to upgrade hardware for an OS upgrade that doesn't really add much.
Windows 11: Just say no
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Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#202If WSL2 is your killer Windows application, then upgrade to Windows 11 whenever you can. WSL2 on Windows 10 suffers from some FS corruption bug [1]. The bug is currently fixed only in Windows 11 Insider Builds. It is uncertain if/when the fix will be backported to WSL2 for Windows 10.
But other than that, Windows 11 is mostly Windows 10 with a different shell. So it's not like it will disrupt your workflow or something.
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#203I'm reluctant purely on the basis of MS's track record of every second version since Win '98 being crap: Win 98: good Win ME: bad Win XP: good Win Vista: bad Win 7: good Win 8: bad Win 9... well, #8 was so bad they had to skip a number Win 10: good Win 11: I'm not optimistic. 20+ years predict for badness. I'll wait until either 1) proven wrong or 2) Win 10 is EOL'ed. I just upgraded, but if I need a new system & it…
>Win 8: bad
>Win 9... well, #8 was so bad they had to skip a number
If you know what to install to replace the stupid touchscreen interface with a proper start menu (eg. Stardock Start8) and disable metro ui feature, it's a great OS. You get 3/4 of the modern features of Windows 10 without the downsides (eg. telemetry, no control on updates, keyboard layout management, taskbar freezing, etc.) and an interface that's halfway between 7 and 10.
If you don't replace the start menu, I agree it's a dumpster fire and I would never use it.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Took the words out of my mouth. I'd prefer a UI element designed for Windows 2K over most anything designed later (with some, but few, exceptions). I'm not sure I would characterize newer UI as more hostile. Some better adjective might be infantilizing, dumbed-down - for the most part; or there's a dichotomy between the UI for dummies part and arcane, not-well-documented, difficult-to-locate parts. This dichotomy was…
Quite frankly, the ONLY new UX element I like out of windows post 95 is the search bar. Everything else has been just annoying. That 95 interface is STILL there, buried under 1000 clicks through an unnavagable interface..
the search bar in Windows 10 never finds anything either
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#205FTFY: Windows. Just say no.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.
This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…
It is broke - badly. But because they no clue what they're doing they just keep making it worse.
There's surely a management book to be written documenting the dysfunctional processes that result in disaster after disaster.
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#207I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.
I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.
Nobody gets paid to leave things alone and maybe that's a big problem with the world.
this is so true!
apple podcasts is a fine example, among others, of this conundrum. on every iteration an "improvement" makes the app less usable. on the last iteration they decided that i should now "follow" shows and not "subscribe" to them. what's worse is that some screens had the old and the new names resulting in extreme confusion. on that same iteration, someone decided that the way i was deleting episodes wasn't cool enough. so they replaced a working feature with a half-working one!
please leave the podcasts app alone.
Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…
I'm enraged by the new UI where you can't have multiple instances of the same application side-by-side in the taskbar. It's one of the things I hate in chromebooks, which Windows decided to adopt as their only (non hidden) option.
Yeah you're not alone there, the stupid idea that windows now needs to be fully tablet capable without a keyboard to the detriment of everyone else using it normally. Literally making the interface less informative and adding clicks, waiting and gestures to achieve actions that should've been a single point and click.
I call it the "BIG BATAN" ideology, as everything needs to be a clean oversized button without any extra options or functionality. Stupid mobile OS features creeping into desktop for no good reason.
I swear if MS eventually removes the don't group fallback I'm finally ditching Win for KDE and never coming back.
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#210Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…
This sounds good in theory, but when Microsoft did just that in 2011 with Windows 8, it ended up backfiring on them big time. It's pretty clear Windows has organizational and structural problems. Mainly because every product they release is always only 80% there. For some reason, whatever it is, it gets mostly finished, shipped and then abandoned and moved into maintenance mode. Yet, it works for them. They usually a…
>This sounds good in theory, but when Microsoft did just that in 2011 with Windows 8, it ended up backfiring on them big time.
the problem was that while windows 8 had *somebody* with a vision behind it, the vision never really made it through to the product. windows 8 was obviously the product of a dysfunctional system that was pulling in two completely opposite directions - the consumer devices side who wanted modern touch-friendly designs to compete with iPad, and the business customers who wanted the windows they were familiar with and didn't want to have to re-train their employees. and what we ended up with was a half-assed implementation in the middle.
"we want to do the best possible job of supporting the huge number of existing applications and users on our platform" is a perfectly valid vision for the future of windows. vision doesn't have to mean change. The problem with there being no vision is you get both the change and the hesitance to change.