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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Sub-heading: > In a few weeks, Windows 11 will arrive. Should you upgrade to it? Let me answer with a question: "Should you stop hitting your head against the wall?" Well, I mean, yes, I SHOULD stop hitting my head against the wall. So then, you're saying I SHOULD upgrade to Windows 11? I think the author's logic got confused here. Or else the joke just flew clear over my head.

We should stop hitting our heads against the wall. Instead, the wall would automatically hit our heads.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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The weird thing is they don’t redesign the old UI as much as put new “simpler” UI over it with the option to use either. I’m pretty sure there are like 3 levels of UI between Windows 10 and the classic Device Manager.

Yeah, it's part of the identity crisis that emerged after someone decided the desktop UI should feel like a tablet or mobile UI. "It's easy. Just add a cog icon for settings!" Then, there's the whole free/ad supported model wherein you need an MS account, etc. I don't want to be integrated into your cloud metaverse. I don't want OneNote. I don't want Teams. I don't want to go through a whole phony tablet-like experie…

I think they fundamentally no longer understand what the product is or should be.

On the contrary, I think they know what the product is quite well: it's you. All the ads they're shoving into everything are evidence that even if you're paying for it, you are still the product being sold.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#294
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and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

> and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Windows 2K + cleartype would be perfect.

Personally I prefer non-antialised MS Sans Serif, and turning off antialiasing is one of the first things I do (but they seem to make it harder with each new version to eradicate it completely) because it physically hurts my eyes and makes me feel dizzy after looking at "smoothed" text for too long. But I think the gradual loss of customisability is definitely something we can all agree against. (For another one, I don't think I've ever put the taskbar anywhere other than the bottom, but I definitely think it would be better if people were free to put it where they wanted.)

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#295

The amount of kvetching and unneeded stress over what is basically a UI overhaul is astounding. If your computer doesn’t run it then it’s moot. If you’re not interested in the UI overhaul don’t install. But neither case requires the amount of wahh that were seeing.

You do realise that a UI overhaul is, for a surprisingly large number of users, essentially bricking the computer, right? And it's not just a UI overhaul; the Home version cannot be used without a Microsoft account.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

The sad reality is that UX groups don't want to fix existing UIs, they want to design new ones. That's the whole issue here. MS wants to hire and retain the best UI people, but those people don't want to fix a UI that was created 20 years ago.

>> UX groups don't want to fix existing UIs, they want to design new ones.

Maybe they need to check their ego at the door and do the job they're paid to do? There's a reason it's called work and not happy-fun-time.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Yeah, it's part of the identity crisis that emerged after someone decided the desktop UI should feel like a tablet or mobile UI. "It's easy. Just add a cog icon for settings!" Then, there's the whole free/ad supported model wherein you need an MS account, etc. I don't want to be integrated into your cloud metaverse. I don't want OneNote. I don't want Teams. I don't want to go through a whole phony tablet-like experie…

I think they fundamentally no longer understand what the product is or should be. On the contrary, I think they know what the product is quite well: it's you . All the ads they're shoving into everything are evidence that even if you're paying for it, you are still the product being sold.

Well, sure. That part's pretty clear.

But, in terms of delivery, form-factor, packaging, etc., they have no idea how to pull it off with any coherence.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#298

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?

...but its a free upgrade. If you think it's worse that is on thing but so its just been better except for the stupid fucking right click context menu.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?

Direct Storage?

Direct storage is coming to Windows 10 but apparently there will be a performance difference, still unknown as it isn't released at all

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

On windows search, I never understood why it was so bloody slow, particularly on network drives. If I traverse the same folders programmatically I get a result in seconds or less. The search function will takes an order of magnitude that, and I don’t believe it is searching anything else than file names. And don’t even dare changing the sorting order of the search result, because of course it must trigger a new searc…

I think that like many places nowadays, development of Windows is done by developers according to an entirely business-driven backlog, where details are first broken down into prioritizable bits before being implemented. As long as features are delivered on time in predictable increments, nobody dares to openly question the actual usefulness or quality of the resulting software for fear of impeding that smooth rollout which would make the team look bad and reduce chances of promotion and / or bonuses.
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