Proton[1] is the reason my next machine will be Linux. [1]: https://www.protondb.com/
Can proton handle ableton live or deal with audio device drivers?
Windows 11: Just say no
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Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#282Honestly, I would have just stayed with Windows 7, if not for Windows Terminal [1]. The Unicode support and ANSI escape code support is a big improvement. However I was not eager to upgrade, as people reported over and over all the privacy and telemetry issues. I have turned off all Windows Updates, and ideally I wont be upgrading Windows for a long, long time. 1. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal
>I have turned off all Windows Updates You mean you have turned off automatic updates? Or you NEVER run Windows updates? - do not do this. Even on an airgapped machine. Insanity.
I turned off automatic updates, and I never run Windows Update. I have heard enough horror stories that I dont need that ever again. There was a Windows Update a few years ago that literally deleted files from the user folder. Fuck that.
Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#283I'm reluctant purely on the basis of MS's track record of every second version since Win '98 being crap: Win 98: good Win ME: bad Win XP: good Win Vista: bad Win 7: good Win 8: bad Win 9... well, #8 was so bad they had to skip a number Win 10: good Win 11: I'm not optimistic. 20+ years predict for badness. I'll wait until either 1) proven wrong or 2) Win 10 is EOL'ed. I just upgraded, but if I need a new system & it…
>Win 8: bad >Win 9... well, #8 was so bad they had to skip a number If you know what to install to replace the stupid touchscreen interface with a proper start menu (eg. Stardock Start8) and disable metro ui feature, it's a great OS. You get 3/4 of the modern features of Windows 10 without the downsides (eg. telemetry, no control on updates, keyboard layout management, taskbar freezing, etc.) and an interface that's…
I'll agree that, especially with 8.1 and some tweeks, things were much better. But I think the out-of-the-box experience-- what most consumers will be stuck with-- is a better comparison. Because you can change just about anything if you're willing to use 3rd party tools or dig into buried settings, and especially if you're willing to dig around the registry.
Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…
The weird thing is they don’t redesign the old UI as much as put new “simpler” UI over it with the option to use either. I’m pretty sure there are like 3 levels of UI between Windows 10 and the classic Device Manager.
Yeah, it's part of the identity crisis that emerged after someone decided the desktop UI should feel like a tablet or mobile UI.
"It's easy. Just add a cog icon for settings!"
Then, there's the whole free/ad supported model wherein you need an MS account, etc. I don't want to be integrated into your cloud metaverse. I don't want OneNote. I don't want Teams. I don't want to go through a whole phony tablet-like experience to get to the stuff I need.
I just want to use my machine as the productivity/dev tool I purchased.
I think they fundamentally no longer understand what the product is or should be.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.
This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…
> Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you.
...are we talking about the same Apple and Google? Big Sur? Material You?
Sure, maybe it’s not “every” release, but only because they have a faster release cadence than Windows.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.
This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…
The sad reality is that UX groups don't want to fix existing UIs, they want to design new ones. That's the whole issue here. MS wants to hire and retain the best UI people, but those people don't want to fix a UI that was created 20 years ago.
Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#287Proton[1] is the reason my next machine will be Linux. [1]: https://www.protondb.com/
Yup. I've been running EOS ( https://elementary.io/ ). It's almost as pretty as my MBP, and vastly more usable than Windows. And I have everything I really need (with first class Linux support): * Gaming - Steam + Proton * Digital Audio Workstation - Bitwig * Video Editing - DaVinci Resolve * 3d Modeling - Blender * 2d Image - Gimp (this one could be a lot better) ----- The only thing I can imagine dual booting into…
How does bitwig do with multi channel audio? I need 32 in and 32 out. I have Merging and RME available as audio devices, but I don't suspect that either of them would actually work with multi-channel recording, despite both of them offering drivers.
If someone could guarantee rock solid stability, I *might be willing to switch, even though I'm fairly invested in the Ableton / VST world. 10 years of projects will likely force me to always run mac / windows unless Ableton decides to build for linux in the future. Who knows, maybe ARM will force their hand.
Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#288Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…
and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.
After installing Windows for the first time in easily 6 years, I was shocked that things like the device manager and disk management still look like they're from Win95. It's not better if it's not remotely consistent
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.
I’ve been doing UI for 20+ years and most of what I’ve worked on is determined by marketing & engineering. I understand & totally sympathize with not liking the results, but in my experience the designers rarely choose what (ui) problems need to get solved. Also I have never worked in an org that shipped “the design”, it’s inevitably compromised by high level management’s personal feelings or lack of engineering atte…
Whilst apple also have its share of this ui change (like keyboard butterfly or no hole in portable etc.), I still think their design team actually work to solve sone user problem. Not just marketing or engineering… I cannot be sure. Just that I thought.
Hence not all in the dark side.
Re: Windows 11: Just say no
#290Sub-heading:
> In a few weeks, Windows 11 will arrive. Should you upgrade to it? Let me answer with a question: "Should you stop hitting your head against the wall?"
Well, I mean, yes, I SHOULD stop hitting my head against the wall. So then, you're saying I SHOULD upgrade to Windows 11? I think the author's logic got confused here. Or else the joke just flew clear over my head.