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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by strictnein »

pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

> To me Windows 11 feels like Vista

If they bring back Aero I'll be happy.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Jtsummers »

dmitrygr wrote: post #85
jnsaff2 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

and even before: 9x - please no! 2000 - great ME - oh god, make it stop!

95/98/ME were operating on a different kernel than the NT line (which 2000 fell under). The difference really being that the NT kernel was targeting pretty much exclusively businesses, while the 9x line was targeting home users and some business users. They merged (with the NT kernel winning out) in XP, which targeted both home and business users.

ME was not an upgrade path from 2000 even though it came out after 2000, it was an upgrade path for 98.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by seph-reed »

olah_1 wrote: post #49

Proton[1] is the reason my next machine will be Linux. [1]: https://www.protondb.com/

Yup. I've been running EOS (https://elementary.io/).

It's almost as pretty as my MBP, and vastly more usable than Windows. And I have everything I really need (with first class Linux support):

* Gaming - Steam + Proton

* Digital Audio Workstation - Bitwig

* Video Editing - DaVinci Resolve

* 3d Modeling - Blender

* 2d Image - Gimp (this one could be a lot better)

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The only thing I can imagine dual booting into Windows for is Oculus Link. But I don't really think it's worth it.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by partiallypro »

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by nunez »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

Metro was fucked up on many levels, but Steve Sinofsky had a really good vision for Windows that I just don't think he had enough time to see executed.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by jason0597 »

olah_1 wrote: post #49

Proton[1] is the reason my next machine will be Linux. [1]: https://www.protondb.com/

Honestly, the Linux desktop experience has come so far in the past 10 years. Sure I don't think it's perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2008 where Windows was still king and Linux had bugs everywhere in every distro and every desktop environment. I think people should seriously consider Linux now if they can't take anymore of Microsoft's shit

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by kertoip_1 »

arriu wrote: post #58
EMM_386 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is pushing Blazor everywhere including on Web Widgets. Great point. As a developer in the Windows sphere for decades, I'm used to change. However, at this point I have no idea what I am supposed to be developing user interfaces…

I'm going to get down voted for this, I realize it isn't for everyone... If it's not for you, no problem. Let me know what you prefer. Anyways, try golang with imgui. You can make imgui look like anything. Ontop of that, you get true cross platform binaries with native speeds with only a couple dozen lines of code and amazing dependancy management. If you've never done immediate mode front-ends, you'll be delighted.

From what I see it's the kind of library for people preferring usability over good looking appearance. Of course you can make it "look like anything", but sane defaults are also important for rapid software development and this definitely lack them

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by nunez »

userbinator wrote: post #26
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

Seriously. Windows Classic was perfect. Fast, functional, and extremely easy to learn.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by dstaley »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

> The app to check if you're ready for Windows 11 is a "preview" less than 30 days before the FULL retail release of Windows 11

Unless something has changed recently, I believe the release of Windows 11 will only be for newly purchased devices. The update from Windows 10 to 11 won't be until sometime next year.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by hughrr »

nunez wrote: post #128
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

Seriously. Windows Classic was perfect. Fast, functional, and extremely easy to learn.

Yeah if they gave me a high DPI Windows 11 classic theme without telemetry and some actual quality control I’d be all over it.

My mother also agrees with me on this. She’s been progressively hating Windows more every release too.

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