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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#81
post #57

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Winforms will never die. If I was looking to make an investment into a skillset that will still be really useful in thirty years, I would go deep on WinForms.

Hum, my last winform app is from 2009, after that all projects ordered from customers where in web ui instead (same customers)

My last one is from 2016, now I am mostly doing other stuff, but there are plenty of places that still are quite into this kind of frameworks.

Just as example, companies that buy this kind of software,

https://perkinelmerinformatics.com/

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#82
post #35

Honestly, I would have just stayed with Windows 7, if not for Windows Terminal [1]. The Unicode support and ANSI escape code support is a big improvement. However I was not eager to upgrade, as people reported over and over all the privacy and telemetry issues. I have turned off all Windows Updates, and ideally I wont be upgrading Windows for a long, long time. 1. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal

Windows 7 was OK.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#83

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

> and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K.

Windows 2K + cleartype would be perfect.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#84

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My favorite is when I see the result I want flash by and then I accidentally type the next character -- correctly -- due to momentum, and the result disappears. Then I delete the last character in an attempt to bring back the result, and then I try retyping the whole thing, but the correct result never reappears. It is gone. Only useless web results remain.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search] "BingSearchEnabled"=dword:00000000 "CortanaConsent"=dword:00000000 ^ put this into a .reg file, run it, and never see those bullshit web search results again. Have been doing this first thing after a fresh install on every PC.

You need carriage returns.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#85
post #54
post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

and even before:

9x - please no!

2000 - great

ME - oh god, make it stop!

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#86
post #56
post #40

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> Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is pushing Blazor everywhere including on Web Widgets. Great point. As a developer in the Windows sphere for decades, I'm used to change. However, at this point I have no idea what I am supposed to be developing user interfaces…

I would rather see them rewrite VSCode in React Native, given all the love it is getting from Office and XBox teams, but lets see if it ever happens.

React is slow for the perf targets of VSCode.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#87

For me, the lack of a "Never combine" option for the taskbar has made win11 unusable for me. I have already reverted back to 10 and will not be updating again till this option is made available again. Its a huge productivity hit for people who are used to multitaking between dozens of open windows

Never combine, drag files onto taskbar items to open window, clocks on secondary monitors, taskbar in positions other than the bottom, small taskbar, option to always show all tray icons instead of having to set it per app, right click not having most of the options unless you right click the start button. A lot of the functionally focused options are gone.

Not that it's 100% bad. Ability to fully disable the show desktop region at the end of the taskbar, the combined volume/network/quick settings icon region, the general redo of the popout for quick settings, the search not being larger than everything else in the taskbar by default, the notification region merging with the clock region, and the general styling update are good. It's just heavily outweighed by the bad... and the broken.

The still broken even though they rewrote the whole thing including things like the new menus often getting stuck open even when you click away from them, auto-hide taskbar on secondary monitors still having issues popping up, the start menu always opening on the primary monitor when you press the win key even when you're active in another monitor, the new "Chat" Teams client that integrates with the taskbar still not supporting corporate accounts, sudden rapid fire 1 by 1 bursts of notifications about the emails I've gotten and already responded to in the last hour despite focus assist being disabled, and I'm sure more I can't think at the moment.

Also the dislikable additions which are of course preference based but I think most people will find things that received a lot of effort like widgets and chat useless.

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All that being said it's still livable for me but it is a definite downgrade and a bit disappointing.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#88

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My favorite is when I see the result I want flash by and then I accidentally type the next character -- correctly -- due to momentum, and the result disappears. Then I delete the last character in an attempt to bring back the result, and then I try retyping the whole thing, but the correct result never reappears. It is gone. Only useless web results remain.

This! It's infuriating. I also find that at first it pulls up File Explorer when I type "exp", but in a flash it switches to Edge. Just wanted a file management window, please.

In case you're not aware: Windows Key + E for a file management window.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#89

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I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

My favorite is when I see the result I want flash by and then I accidentally type the next character -- correctly -- due to momentum, and the result disappears. Then I delete the last character in an attempt to bring back the result, and then I try retyping the whole thing, but the correct result never reappears. It is gone. Only useless web results remain.

Yeah Windows Search is useless. I'd recommend Everything[0]. Though, it's more for general file searching than searching for programs. Can't remember if it learns your habits and pushes them to the top or not. Regardless it's instantaneous and I almost never use the Windows search since I discovered it

https://www.voidtools.com

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#90
post #9

Maybe it has better security, but it has worse privacy. Windows 10 is my last MS OS. Heading back to Linux as my daily driver with a System 76 machine.

Windows 10 was what pushed me to start using Linux full time. It just broke me, how nonsensical it was. Going through several layers of new UI style sidebars, submenu items just to end up... in classic Control Panel with configuration elements divided up between new and old?

Windows still has an insanely convoluted installation process whereas Ubuntu boots straight into a usable desktop from installation medium and has less prompts before your one single reboot into the installed OS.

Windows honestly needs to be burnt to the ground and redone from scratch before I'll consider using it again.

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