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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by thrower123 »

js4ever wrote: post #57
thrower123 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Winforms will never die. If I was looking to make an investment into a skillset that will still be really useful in thirty years, I would go deep on WinForms.

Hum, my last winform app is from 2009, after that all projects ordered from customers where in web ui instead (same customers)

All of my real products are web-based.

But WinForms is immensely useful in building tools, and configuration utilities, and little one-off GUI things for various reasons. Anything that would take less time to slam together soup-to-nuts than just getting webpack working for a new project would take.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by muststopmyths »

darthvoldemort wrote: post #43

i just upgraded my Windows 7 PC from a 2012 desktop to a modern 2021-level Windows 10 desktop with i7 CPU, 32 GB memory, etc. I honestly can't tell the difference between the two systems. I don't play games which is probably the biggest thing driving upgrades, but for everything that I need to do, which is an advanced use, my 10 year old Windows 7 system was more than good enough. The only reason why I did end up upg…

To be completely fair, there were significant upgrades to the networking stack in Windows 8, so you probably got more support for your 10Gbe switch than just the motherboard change.

Between 8 and 10, though.. yeah. The only reason to upgrade between those was if you hated 8 (I loved it on tablets/phone, not on desktop).

There are many Microsoft-hatred-driven reasons to not upgrade from 7 to 10, but lack of progress in the underlying OS is definitely not one of them. People confuse the shell with the OS all the time (and yeah the shell is atrocious and gets worse every iteration), but it's not the entirety of what makes a Windows version.

NB: "shell" here means the thing hosting the UI (including Explorer), not a unix shell.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by _Algernon_ »

amackera wrote: post #48
Causality1 wrote: post #39

You know I used to follow Windows news rabidly. The new features were incredible, I looked forward to every release. Somewhere around the time Microsoft added a lock screen to a desktop computer without going "only joking, haha", I started dreading every update.

I'm sorry, what? Why wouldn't you want a Lock Screen? That's a basic security measure, without a lock screen Windows would be a non-starter for any secure enterprise.

A lock screen without full disk encryption is security by obscurity. Change my mind.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by cogman10 »

userbinator wrote: post #26
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you.

What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel.

Microsoft needs to fire the idiots that keep messing around with the UX. It's not broke, stop trying to fix it.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by rejectfinite »

throwawaysea wrote: post #13

This article seems to be making a point that you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 11 right now , since you might be encounter problems that result from the upgrade. But I have bigger apprehensions about Windows 11 than just that. Windows 11 feels like the culmination of a push to turn Windows into a walled garden service rather than a utilitarian operating system for generic computing devices. Dark patterns like forced l…

>Windows 11 feels like the culmination of a push to turn Windows into a walled garden service rather than a utilitarian operating system for generic computing devices

They cannot do this due to enterprise apps.

Maybe for the Home version.

So many companies are on older Win32 ERP software that do not have a webapp. Also games. All Steam games etc would stop working.

They tried with Windows 10S version and nobody uses that.

But wow that pcgamer article shows the mess. Im on a i7 4790k PC w Windows 10 but with 11 I might not get updates??

I haven't actually had any Windows 10 issues... runs all the PC games ever made, all the Windows apps. I try and disable all the telemetry in UI, turn off animations, use Firefox to minimize the privacy issues. Takes a while but once its setup it just trucks on.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by slaymaker1907 »

I really feel like these system requirements came from top down. I work on SQL Server from home and the machine I use to connect to my work machine is not even close to meeting the Windows 11 requirements despite being a solid machine. It has a 2014 processor that still does great and the GPU is a 1080. The only parts that really need an upgrade in my opinion is the RAM (since it only has 16GB).

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by hef19898 »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #54
pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

That! It started before XP so...

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by cogman10 »

einpoklum wrote: post #44
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

Took the words out of my mouth. I'd prefer a UI element designed for Windows 2K over most anything designed later (with some, but few, exceptions). I'm not sure I would characterize newer UI as more hostile. Some better adjective might be infantilizing, dumbed-down - for the most part; or there's a dichotomy between the UI for dummies part and arcane, not-well-documented, difficult-to-locate parts. This dichotomy was…

Quite frankly, the ONLY new UX element I like out of windows post 95 is the search bar. Everything else has been just annoying.

That 95 interface is STILL there, buried under 1000 clicks through an unnavagable interface..

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by rejectfinite »

svnpenn wrote: post #35

Honestly, I would have just stayed with Windows 7, if not for Windows Terminal [1]. The Unicode support and ANSI escape code support is a big improvement. However I was not eager to upgrade, as people reported over and over all the privacy and telemetry issues. I have turned off all Windows Updates, and ideally I wont be upgrading Windows for a long, long time. 1. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal

>I have turned off all Windows Updates

You mean you have turned off automatic updates?

Or you NEVER run Windows updates? - do not do this. Even on an airgapped machine. Insanity.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by OminousWeapons »

einpoklum wrote: post #44
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

Took the words out of my mouth. I'd prefer a UI element designed for Windows 2K over most anything designed later (with some, but few, exceptions). I'm not sure I would characterize newer UI as more hostile. Some better adjective might be infantilizing, dumbed-down - for the most part; or there's a dichotomy between the UI for dummies part and arcane, not-well-documented, difficult-to-locate parts. This dichotomy was…

I agree, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Windows is legitimately confusing for noobs, so I don't see a problem with making the noob learning curve less steep as long as all the "real" functionality that a power user, dev, or admin would regularly use is left alone on the same paths, with the same UX or syntax.
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