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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by da_chicken »

heurisko wrote: post #33
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

A regular user would have said, "What's a disk partition?"

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by syntheticnature »

jjoonathan wrote: post #37
heurisko wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

My favorite is when I see the result I want flash by and then I accidentally type the next character -- correctly -- due to momentum, and the result disappears. Then I delete the last character in an attempt to bring back the result, and then I try retyping the whole thing, but the correct result never reappears. It is gone. Only useless web results remain.

This! It's infuriating.

I also find that at first it pulls up File Explorer when I type "exp", but in a flash it switches to Edge. Just wanted a file management window, please.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by darthvoldemort »

i just upgraded my Windows 7 PC from a 2012 desktop to a modern 2021-level Windows 10 desktop with i7 CPU, 32 GB memory, etc.

I honestly can't tell the difference between the two systems. I don't play games which is probably the biggest thing driving upgrades, but for everything that I need to do, which is an advanced use, my 10 year old Windows 7 system was more than good enough.

The only reason why I did end up upgrading was because I bought a 10Gbe switch, and the motherboard in my Windows 7 PC didn't support the bus speed required for 10 GBe speeds.

I'm pretty sure that it's not worth $1000 just to change my compiles from 30 seconds to 5 seconds so I'm not sure what the compelling reason to upgrade is for the hundreds of millions of other users except a fake Windows 11 upgrade forcing a hardware upgrade.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by einpoklum »

userbinator wrote: post #26
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

Took the words out of my mouth. I'd prefer a UI element designed for Windows 2K over most anything designed later (with some, but few, exceptions).

I'm not sure I would characterize newer UI as more hostile. Some better adjective might be infantilizing, dumbed-down - for the most part; or there's a dichotomy between the UI for dummies part and arcane, not-well-documented, difficult-to-locate parts. This dichotomy was somewhat less pronounced in the past.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by noitpmeder »

Causality1 wrote: post #39

You know I used to follow Windows news rabidly. The new features were incredible, I looked forward to every release. Somewhere around the time Microsoft added a lock screen to a desktop computer without going "only joking, haha", I started dreading every update.

This seems incredibly out of touch with reality.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by rishav_sharan »

For me, the lack of a "Never combine" option for the taskbar has made win11 unusable for me. I have already reverted back to 10 and will not be updating again till this option is made available again. Its a huge productivity hit for people who are used to multitaking between dozens of open windows

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by jcranberry »

Ive been using win 11 on my laptop for a couple months now.

I like the new UI, it feels simpler and less gaudy. The drop down menu expansion thing is fine. I also prefer the redesign of the settings app. I find casting my screen and bluetooth works better. Windows has been missing something decent window snapping features forever and although it's a bit clunky I appreciate that it's there.

The only thing that has annoys me is the taskbar not disappearing when its supposed to, leading to it covering the bottom of maximized applications. Most of the time its not there but sometimes it'll just stick after coming up.

I didn't know about the android apps feature but I might give it a shot when I go home. Widgets I just haven't used at all despite being aware of them.

I still have win10 on my desktop. I don't remember the switch being painful when I went to the rolling release windows insider on my laptop. Frankly win10 is fine too, so unless there's an android app I want to play around with I wouldn't bother switching.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by amackera »

Causality1 wrote: post #39

You know I used to follow Windows news rabidly. The new features were incredible, I looked forward to every release. Somewhere around the time Microsoft added a lock screen to a desktop computer without going "only joking, haha", I started dreading every update.

I'm sorry, what? Why wouldn't you want a Lock Screen? That's a basic security measure, without a lock screen Windows would be a non-starter for any secure enterprise.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by pndy »

marktangotango wrote: post #10

Am I alone in assuming they'll just do the Windows 10 unwanted upgrade, again, when 11 adoption rate isn't where they want it to be? Choice doesn't matter to these mega corps, so long as we use their stores and view their ads. Thank god for Gnu and Linux!

That's the most probable scenario and I wouldn't be surprised that in the end they'll lower the requirements for 11 even more. Back then, the marketing tactic of "hurry up, limited-time offer only" was in the use for this free Windows 10 upgrade but people were still able to get the upgrade after the deadline; then, some used the obscure way of getting the upgrade by special offer for people with accessibility issues.

> Choice doesn't matter to these mega corps

Choice doesn't matter and it's an OK policy to annoy user periodically with options, suggestions, offers, up until it gives up and agrees for something it didn't want in first place but wants to get rid of the annoying notifications or whatever form this harassment takes. The permanent "No, thank you, I'm not interested" doesn't exist in corporate world too - there's only place for "Fine but we will ask you again and again", sadly.

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