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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by smackeyacky »

Gys wrote: post #75
pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

> I will just wait for Windows 12, whenever it comes up, the UI war will be settled by then. There is always hope ;-)

They've had 4 years to settle on a GUI for .NET Core and completely failed.

At this stage, the 3rd party gui libraries are looking better and better i.e. Electron.NET https://smackeyacky.blogspot.com/2021/08/electronnet-cross-p...

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by harry8 »

amyjess wrote: post #196
N00bN00b wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't surprise me if you reboot your computer one day and surprise! It's windows 11 now! Remember, they did the same thing with Windows 10 a couple of times.

Welp, time to start dropping every packet from any Windows Update-related IP block in my router...

Seriously if you're genuine about that it's such a temporary solution. You're saying you can't trust your operating system vendor at all. Start making plans to dump them is really the only sane thing to do at that point.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by ripdog »

trelane wrote: post #232
Bilal_io wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe with Proton, but WSL will not be an option when shipping software to general users.

Why not?

WSL needs to be manually added to windows by the user before it can be used. Also a distro then has to be installed in the VM.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by harry8 »

s/11//g

And it becomes the call I made over a decade ago. I really haven't regretted it. Literally anything you use will have multiple frustrations you have to get a bit zen about, why pay microsoft for that?

Come on in, the water's fine.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by usrusr »

ryandrake wrote: post #252
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody gets paid to leave things alone and maybe that's a big problem with the world.

It's definitely a big problem with software. This "need to constantly pay developers" is part of the justification for moving towards subscription payment instead of one-time payment. The logic goes: One-time payment won't pay for future changes, and developers are always making changes, and they need to be paid for. But, what if I don't want future changes? For almost all software I've ever paid for, as a user, I ju…

Funny, I was just thinking to myself that maybe a paid subscription Windows could be a solution to undesired UI change. Because it would take away the lure of the upgrade sale licence. 64 bit w2k? Yeah, I'd totally pay for that.

If I were in charge of Windows product strategy I think I would create competing subdivisions that replicate the model of Linux distributions but on the NT kernel. Sworn to binary compatibility but inspired to try different monetization schemes.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by phone8675309 »

gruez wrote: post #189
Animats wrote: post #181

Windows - just say no. I bailed out of Windows when Windows 7 reached end of life. Windows 10 has ads, and that's unacceptable.

>Windows 10 has ads, and that's unacceptable. just use enterprise/ltsc.

Where can I buy a single license for personal use of LTSC?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by lagmos »

NtGuy25 wrote: post #199

I really like Windows 11. Hyper-V has some MASSIVE updates which noone talks about, as well as stuff like the network stack being rewritten. It's better to view this as a Windows 10 Refresh with alot done behind the scenes and a new UI. Not much of this is talked about though, outside of really niche highly technical circles. There's some false narrative about it which is bizarre.

The ui alone is basically enough for me to not touch it for a while. I dont need any of the new features and there are loads of anti features i tthe ui (rightclick menu, taskbar icons for more than 1 window, changing default apps, etc)

I dont understand what's driving these changes, but they seem so use hostile that it puts me off the whole os.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Someone1234 »

NtGuy25 wrote: post #199

I really like Windows 11. Hyper-V has some MASSIVE updates which noone talks about, as well as stuff like the network stack being rewritten. It's better to view this as a Windows 10 Refresh with alot done behind the scenes and a new UI. Not much of this is talked about though, outside of really niche highly technical circles. There's some false narrative about it which is bizarre.

> Hyper-V has some MASSIVE updates which noone talks about, as well as stuff like the network stack being rewritten

Maybe be the change you want to see... Try talking about those things.

I've heard nothing about either one, do you have an article or articles? Microsoft hasn't done a very good job communicating the non-UI changes. Insiders have measured performance losses but no significant gains yet.

Hard to call people criticizing other things a "false narrative" when there's been near no communication on the things you're bringing up, and they don't mitigate the complaints.

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