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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#221

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

How can you say it is half-baked when it's still in beta? I am not saying it will be perfect when released, but we cannot judge something that's not generally available yet.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#222

I really like Windows 11. Hyper-V has some MASSIVE updates which noone talks about, as well as stuff like the network stack being rewritten. It's better to view this as a Windows 10 Refresh with alot done behind the scenes and a new UI. Not much of this is talked about though, outside of really niche highly technical circles. There's some false narrative about it which is bizarre.

> as well as stuff like the network stack being rewritten

I would be very interested in learning about this. Do you have any references ?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#223

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

For me with windows 10... I spent about 2 hours trying to get it to install on my new machine while it continued to fail due an issue with it recognizing my nvme drive complaining i did not have any sada drive... in about 20 minutes after being very frustrated i downloaded ubuntu and installed... I spent the next 20 minutes installing lutris and the sims4 so my girls could play... so about 4 hours later... 40 minutes of which was to get linux installed with wine and playing video games with a then pretty nice nvidia 1080 ti graphics card... and bonus i can play sc2... i guess i don't see why people still use windows?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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I'm enraged by the new UI where you can't have multiple instances of the same application side-by-side in the taskbar. It's one of the things I hate in chromebooks, which Windows decided to adopt as their only (non hidden) option.

Yeah you're not alone there, the stupid idea that windows now needs to be fully tablet capable without a keyboard to the detriment of everyone else using it normally. Literally making the interface less informative and adding clicks, waiting and gestures to achieve actions that should've been a single point and click. I call it the "BIG BATAN" ideology, as everything needs to be a clean oversized button without any e…

This is especially ridiculous when seeing how few tablets are sold by Microsoft, despite them try harding for a decacde or so.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#225

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I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

It is still available by right-clicking on the start button. This will almost certainly go away in 11, because MS hates us.

It is currently available via right click on the start button in Windows 11.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#226

Ive been using win 11 on my laptop for a couple months now. I like the new UI, it feels simpler and less gaudy. The drop down menu expansion thing is fine. I also prefer the redesign of the settings app. I find casting my screen and bluetooth works better. Windows has been missing something decent window snapping features forever and although it's a bit clunky I appreciate that it's there. The only thing that has ann…

"Windows has been missing something decent window snapping features forever and although it's a bit clunky I appreciate that it's there."

I've been using windows 11 for a few months as well. For window snapping, I simply enjoy Powertoys and will stick to that since it gives me more customization options.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

Eh, I don't agree. NT 3.51 — solid NT 4.0, 2000 & XP — less, less and less solid Vista — premature 7 — ok 8 — borked 10 & 11 — untouchable

This cycle doesn't work anymore. Windows 10 wasn't a normal release, it has been around for 6 years, and has at least 3 major updates(with many small ones). Windows 7 was around for ~3 years, and had one update before it was replaced with Windows 8.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Proton[1] is the reason my next machine will be Linux. [1]: https://www.protondb.com/

Between Proton and WSL we're getting closer to a true "write once run anywhere" world where host platform won't matter so much. Devs will be free to develop with whatever tech stack they like most, make a canonical build, and other platforms will be able to run it. What's going to be hilarious is that much like dosbox became the best way to run old dos programs even if they might still technically run on windows, win…

Maybe with Proton, but WSL will not be an option when shipping software to general users.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#229

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

People just don't like change. There will be lots of weeping and wailing an gnashing of teeth, then people will grow accustomed to it. Same happened with 8 and 10. The furor over 8's missing start menu was intense, even though it takes literally seconds to install Classic Shell and get a better start menu than Windows 7 ever had. In 3-4 years the cycle will repeat again with Windows 12.

Why change something that you already are familiar with and already sunk time to master your own workflow on? Let that be people’s decision, not get it forced down their throats. Windows has been taking control from the users, became agressive with telemetry, inability to control when you want to apply upgrades, lost work on sessions due to automatic upgrades, removed settings after upgrade, interminable waits after upgrde when you really need the computer urgently to do something on and a lot of other things moved about back and forth because Microsoft couldn’t take their time and make a sound decision and stick with it.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#230

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

I wouldn’t go that far. It is better than the new windows 10 settings for sure but count how many clicks it takes to get to the menu to change the IP of the machine, with non resizable windows, text that is non selectable/copyable, etc. I don’t care for the old battleship-grey look, but lots of the old parts are very clunky.

Including important features that are not accessible in UI. Like all scheduled tasks run as low priority, no UI to change that.

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