This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England
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Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736... This study suggests about 0.5% of unvaccinated population requires hospitalization. Obviously just one study, but across about six million people, seems a decent back of the envelope guess.
So far about 2% of the US population had already been hospitalized with COVID-19 as of May 2021. The total is even higher now. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
So far about 2% of the US population had already been hospitalized with COVID-19 as of May 2021. The total is even higher now. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
6.2 million, as cited in that article, would be about 1.8% of the US population.
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#104I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.
I am confused at how people are still asking questions like this, seemingly in good faith. The point of masks and vaccines and even staying home as needed, is not specifically to prevent healthy 18-50 year olds from dying. It's to limit the spread to everyone else, bunging up hospital capacity, killing off old folk needlessly, and causing local governments to freak out and impose restrictions because their hospitals…
So it’s dishearteningly easy to look at this situation from that point of view: “my government, and everyone currently exercising power, has had 18 months to do the dirty work of expanding health capacity, retrofitting buildings to make them safer in the presence of a virus (e.g. open-air supermarkets), and whatever else is necessary to help us all live how we’d like to during this time,” and instead they’ve not really tackled any of those things. We got the vaccine, which is a huge triumph, but beyond that it’s just “hey we need you as an individual to stay at home another couple years while we slack off and keep ignoring any opportunity for letting you live the life you did before.”
I know not all real world systems are as flexible as software systems, especially true of the Frankenstein healthcare system we have here. But it really is not hard for me to say “if this were my problem, I would solve it like an engineer, by building (more capacity, tools to make it easier to grow manpower in the areas they’re needed).” And then be upset at the people who are asking me to make my own life shit for another couple years so that they can avoid making life-long improvements to the systems that need it. Because if our roles were reversed here — if I were the one at risk of this disease — I would never ask of them what they’re asking of me. It’s just not how I think about the world or how I think about solving problems.
I think some people voicing GP’s comment really are doing it in good faith. People have different lived experiences that lead to radically different ways of thinking about the world and how to act within it. These disagreements will always exist. The pragmatist accepts that and says that of the range of possible solutions to your problem, the most successful is the one that can be grounded in this world where people disagree with each other and pursue their own interests.
Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England
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> kids are at no risk, the overwhelming majority of adults are at no risk What I've been looking for for a long time now is data on infection, hospitalization rates and mortality by vaccination status and age. They all get mixed and it's never really clear to me what the risk for, say, a vaccinated 40 year old or an unvaccinated 1 year old really is.
The CDC estimated an infection fatality rate of 0.001% for ages 0-17. The risk rises exponentially with age. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm Of those children who died, the majority had serious underlying health conditions such as obesity or asthma. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm This paper has some good recent data on vaccine effectiveness. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full…
Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England
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Certainly. I am a bit disappointed by the “involving” qualificator, as it does not inspire much confidence on its meaning… But overall, very positive results, certainly.
Defined in the glossary. It seems to mean where the person had an active covid infection at time of death, and excludes people who recovered from covid but died anyway.
Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am confused at how people are still asking questions like this, seemingly in good faith. The point of masks and vaccines and even staying home as needed, is not specifically to prevent healthy 18-50 year olds from dying. It's to limit the spread to everyone else, bunging up hospital capacity, killing off old folk needlessly, and causing local governments to freak out and impose restrictions because their hospitals…
If you’re on this site, you probably work in an industry where it feels like very large things can get done in 18 months. I remember in February 2020, before anything reached the US, watching China build a new hospital in all of 10 days. I have some vague understandings of “all-hands-on-deck” govt projects of the past. FDR’s WPA jobs program, etc. So it’s dishearteningly easy to look at this situation from that point…
It's like the trivial "my body my choice right?" gotcha attempt. Does that serve any purpose other than to rile people up who are already in an echo chamber?
Your phrasing of the point, "I'm frustrated with these mandates and may not agree with them for this reason" is fine. But coming at it from a place of articulated-genuine curiosity doesn't make any sense to me, today, given how long these conversations have been happening.
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Line of reasoning doesn't seem to account for ICU occupancy levels & reduces outcomes to simply "lived" vs "died" without looking at sub-outcomes under "lived" category.
You're right. There is more nuance. For instance, many of the concerns about "long COVID" are legitimate. But even within the nuance the statistics are being used to support narratives that aren't always honest. Just look at the news that apparently 40-45% of COVID hospitalizations are actually people who were admitted for another reason and just so happened to test positive upon admission. https://www.theatlantic.co…
Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England
#109There is a bit of a statistical artifact here: the number of person-days of people with both doses in the UK is very small during this period. Most adults had no doses or one dose for most of this period. Vaccination is still great and I encourage everyone who can to get vaccinated, but the 640 people is drawing upon a much smaller population and time period.
I don't understand, there were over 50k non-covid deaths in the twice vaccinated and around 500 covid deaths. That sounds significant, or is it due to the age distribution of twice vaccinated?
Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England
#110There is a bit of a statistical artifact here: the number of person-days of people with both doses in the UK is very small during this period. Most adults had no doses or one dose for most of this period. Vaccination is still great and I encourage everyone who can to get vaccinated, but the 640 people is drawing upon a much smaller population and time period.
When I look at the first table I see a number of 220k non Covid death overall compared to 60k after the 2nd dose. Assuming those non Covid cases are constant over time I would assume the sample size is still bigger than 1/4. while not perfect that doesn’t look like „not enough samples“ to me.