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Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by distrill »

human wrote: post #9

I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.

I am confused at how people are still asking questions like this, seemingly in good faith. The point of masks and vaccines and even staying home as needed, is not specifically to prevent healthy 18-50 year olds from dying. It's to limit the spread to everyone else, bunging up hospital capacity, killing off old folk needlessly, and causing local governments to freak out and impose restrictions because their hospitals are at capacity.

Maybe it's not good faith, I don't know at this point.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by spoonjim »

human wrote: post #9

I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.

With essentially zero short-term side effects of vaccination, compared to a significant (if not large) short-term mortality and medium-term morbidity from Covid, it is absolutely lunatic to not get the vaccine unless you have specific immune/allergic/blood conditions.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by 0-_-0 »

allturtles wrote: post #4
rkk3 wrote: post #2

Deaths 21 days or more after second dose: .89% Percent of all Covid Deaths That seems like great news?

I don't think this is a particularly interesting stat without a baseline of what % of people fell into that category. Since this is computed over the time period January 2 to July 2 and mass vaccination didn't really take off until the spring, you wouldn't have a large number of people in that category until near the end of the study period.

From Table 1:

In unvaccinated people 37.4% of all deaths was from COVID (38,964/104,134)

In fully vaccinated people 0.8% of all deaths was from COVID (458/57,721)

This is all amazing news! However we still don't know how much worse the vaccines are against the Delta variant, since most deaths during the period were not from the new variant. It can't be too bad though.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by tomrod »

lokedhs wrote: post #34
Claudus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, what is the the overall mortality rate for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Ballpark estimates looking at the vaccination rate over time, it seems like vaccinated people had almost double the mortality rate of unvaccinated. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations Vaccinated are less likely to die of Covid-19, but more likely to die? Not very reassuring.

Well, if you think about who got vaccinated first, it should be pretty obvious why that is the case, don't you think?

Aye. Stratification required here.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by distrill »

some_furry wrote: post #30
human wrote: post #9

I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.

Everyone needs vaccination. Full stop. I wrote more about this topic here: https://soatok.blog/2021/05/10/why-i-chose-to-be-vaccinated-... Some real-world data: https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/143741231155210240... A Twitter thread from a scientist and vaccine researcher: https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/143814553785796199...

I will also advocate for everyone to get vaccinated, but this isn't helpful at all.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by spoonjim »

obelos wrote: post #31
human wrote: post #9

I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.

How can we be 18 months into a global pandemic and so many people still not understand that diseases are contagious and “healthy” people who manage to avoid dying from the disease still spread it and also take away healthcare resources from other people who need treatment for any number of injuries and maladies?

I didn't get vaccinated for others, I got vaccinated for myself. Even an 18 year old is much safer with the vaccine than with the virus.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by rkk3 »

twoslide wrote: post #6

There is a bit of a statistical artifact here: the number of person-days of people with both doses in the UK is very small during this period. Most adults had no doses or one dose for most of this period. Vaccination is still great and I encourage everyone who can to get vaccinated, but the 640 people is drawing upon a much smaller population and time period.

You are mis interpreting the data, there were 640 Covid deaths among those who received both doses, not 640 participants. There were also 68,733 Non Covid deaths among that cohort. Not to mention everyone who didn't die.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by occamrazor »

lmilcin wrote: post #10
allturtles wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is a particularly interesting stat without a baseline of what % of people fell into that category. Since this is computed over the time period January 2 to July 2 and mass vaccination didn't really take off until the spring, you wouldn't have a large number of people in that category until near the end of the study period.

I think you need to read it again. Especially table 1. In the data they have they found that: 1. For all unvaccinated people, they had 38,964 covid-related deaths and 65,170 of other, non-covid-related deaths of unvaccinated people. 2. For all vaccinated people 21 days or more after second dose they found 458 covid-related and 57,263 non-covid-related deaths. It doesn't matter when these were recorded (unless we want…

The data you mention provides extremely strong support for vaccine effectiveness in preventing death. The single data point in GGP post is quite useless, as GP points out.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by Matthias247 »

twoslide wrote: post #6

There is a bit of a statistical artifact here: the number of person-days of people with both doses in the UK is very small during this period. Most adults had no doses or one dose for most of this period. Vaccination is still great and I encourage everyone who can to get vaccinated, but the 640 people is drawing upon a much smaller population and time period.

When I look at the first table I see a number of 220k non Covid death overall compared to 60k after the 2nd dose. Assuming those non Covid cases are constant over time I would assume the sample size is still bigger than 1/4. while not perfect that doesn’t look like „not enough samples“ to me.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by bunje »

twoslide wrote: post #6

There is a bit of a statistical artifact here: the number of person-days of people with both doses in the UK is very small during this period. Most adults had no doses or one dose for most of this period. Vaccination is still great and I encourage everyone who can to get vaccinated, but the 640 people is drawing upon a much smaller population and time period.

I don't understand, there were over 50k non-covid deaths in the twice vaccinated and around 500 covid deaths. That sounds significant, or is it due to the age distribution of twice vaccinated?
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