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Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

swader999 wrote: post #299
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #153

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I down-voted because that has nothing to do with a "degraded immune systems". Many of the more common respiratory viruses also died out in New Zealand with the quarantine. Kids never got a chance to develop immunity to those particular diseases previously and now it's coming on in a wave as they are reintroduced. It's not that their response is special, in normal circumstances kids would have gotten sick and been hos…

No, they would have stronger immune systems from repeated exposure without the extreme lockdowns NZ introduced and less hospitalizations. Respiratory viruses don't die out, they can persist in animal populations indefinitely. Sars Cov2 antibodies detected in 40% of NE deer populations for instance. Not to mention cats and dogs...

I assume you have evidence of the claim that by being regularly sick your immune system is stronger? Sure, it's run into more things it has learned to fight, but just because it knows how to fight a catalogue of things it doesn't mean that it will be better with the next novel pandemic, right?

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Post by joshuamorton »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #418
jayd16 wrote: post #291

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Doesn't seem quite right to compare historical flu rates of the general population to mask mandated covid rates among vaccinated. As it is today, it seems like flu deaths are far less frequent than covid deaths. Cherry picked link but it _is_ the cdc. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm >Among the 3,388 PIC deaths reported for this week, 2,785 had COVID-19 listed as an underlying or contributing cause of death o…

You just said it's not fair to compare mask mandated rates, but then compare against the flu, which obviously is affected by the mask mandates (also mask mandates right now in the US are a bit of a joke, have you seen a sports game recently?).

The point is that comparing un-masked flu rates to masked-covid rates isn't valid.

Comparing masked-flu to masked-covid is valid.

Of course, if you're doing that comparison, it may also be worth mentioning that the flu also has a vaccine and if you're vaccinated against the flu too, its less dangerous than covid.

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Post by supercheetah »

pwm wrote: post #448
random314 wrote: post #429

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How it would have hurt to get a vaccine?

Well for one it could go to desperate people in 3rd world countries? If you already provably had covid letting your now useless shot go to the ones in need is arguably the moral choice?

The doses in the countries they're at now aren't likely to go to a different country, and are more likely to expire before they could be shipped elsewhere, so people in those countries may as well get them. For other places, the problem is manufacturing and distribution, and lifting patent restrictions would help too.

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Post by JoshuaDavid »

random314 wrote: post #432
bgentry wrote: post #297

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>There is NO reason to not be vaccinated at this point if you can be. If you've already had COVID, especially recently, that's a pretty damn good reason to not get vaccinated given that your immunity is likely far stronger and more durable than a vaccinated-but-COVID-naïve person. [1] While getting vaccinated on top might help (there is not definitive data on this yet AFAIK [2]), it is also not 100% risk-free. So why…

None of these studies suggest that getting a vaccine increases your risk. It can only decrease it.

Is your claim that the vaccines don't themselves have any risks or side effects associated with them? "The vaccine, on average, will reduce your risk" is one claim that is correct for most people, but "the vaccine can only reduce your risk" is a much stronger claim that is not universally true (if you don't agree, consider whether one should get a daily dose of the vaccine).

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Post by dgfitz »

amrocha wrote: post #449
dgfitz wrote: post #410

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I agree with arcbyte, and I got my second shot in March. The amount of government interference as it relates to COVID and vaccines is complete bullshit. I hope we look back on this in 20 years and feel a deep sense of embarrassment for how COVID and the vaccine has been managed and used to emotionally manipulate and divide people. When 9/11 happened it united the country. COVID should have done the same thing, but it…

After 9/11 a significant portion of the US was staunchly anti-war, organized some of the largest protests in US history, and yet they were ignored by the media and demonized as anti-patriotic. On top of that, muslim americans have had to endure years of racist attacks, not only from individuals but also from the state, in borders and airports, ongoing to this day. If you think it "united the country" then you either…

That isn't accurate. The media doesn't disagree with me, the country is ripped in two over COVID and vaccines, there is no denying that.

Why do you say they disagree?

Edit: capitalization

Second edit: I didn't say the WAR united the country. You're twisting my comment.

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Post by ctrlp »

Robotbeat wrote: post #133
ctrlp wrote: post #79

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Good luck closing the U.S. southern border.

That’s not really the concern. Foot travel is ridiculously slow. This virus travels by air, first class.

People board buses and planes once they cross the border.

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Post by justwanttolearn »

RHSeeger wrote: post #231
refurb wrote: post #218

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Calling the unvaccinated idiots is about as effective as calling the obese, alcoholics, people who don’t take their medication, etc, idiots. Apparently we have sympathy for people who fail to make good health choices except for the unvaccinated. Not effective at all.

> obese Requires lifestyle change > alcoholics Requires lifestyle change > people who don’t take their medication Requires lifestyle change > Vaccine Requires a choice and a half day off. There is a BIG difference there.

The lifestyle change is a choice that we make. For those people that HAVE made these choices, should also have a choice into taking a vaccine when they don't need it, just to satisfy those that have not taken the choice to do the same. Those who are obese, alcoholics or whatever can then take the choice to get vaccinated to better protect themselves

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Post by justwanttolearn »

mrrv wrote: post #233
refurb wrote: post #218

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Calling the unvaccinated idiots is about as effective as calling the obese, alcoholics, people who don’t take their medication, etc, idiots. Apparently we have sympathy for people who fail to make good health choices except for the unvaccinated. Not effective at all.

The unvaccinated are putting others at risk, including kids. I can't say the same about the obese or people who don't take their medication.

obesity spreads too https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa066082 just not the way you think they do as a virus

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Post by Ambolia »

belltaco wrote: post #176
Ambolia wrote: post #138

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Seems more an acknowledgement that zero-Covid is never ever going to happen. At which point not sure if vaccinating outside of risk populations or to control hospitalizations if they are too high makes any sense.

That's like saying back in the 70s and 80s that we cannot eliminate deaths and injuries from car accidents so it's useless to have seatbelt and air bag campaigns and laws. >outside of risk populations Depends on how you define risk, 59 children have died just in Texas from Covid so far. Risk goes up with age. Every single additional vaccination helps the situation.

That would only be an analogy if car accidents mutated to overcome seatbelts. Also car accidents can kill everybody, Covid not so much if you are young, have healthy lungs and are not overweight.

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Post by chitowneats »

devwastaken wrote: post #363
chitowneats wrote: post #223

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What evidence do you have for your claim? An anecdote or two from your own life? How is that any more scientific than what you claim to be decrying? In the U.S. at least, there is a mass testing regime that many must submit to for work, school, etc. Are you suggesting those who have tested positive in these situations are "making up stories"?

Overwhelmingly people did not have to test for COVID, and never did. They had a few "symptoms" and claimed they got COVID and it "was no big deal". When in reality they have no proof of it. Humans overwhelmingly make up stories so reinforce their opinions. And no, most work did not require testing, even government work. Even federal government work.

"Humans overwhelmingly make up stories so reinforce their opinions."

At least we can agree on that. You're doing it right now.

Funny that you put "a few symptoms" in scare quotes, given that loss of taste and smell is highly indicative of covid and not any other widely circulating illness.

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