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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by RHSeeger »

refurb wrote: post #218
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant Friend’s mother visiting from Jamaica. People in her country are dying while they wait for first shots. The voluntarily unvaccinated in America are idiots. The author’s point is there are billions of unvoluntarily unvaccinated around the world to whom these doses could go.

Calling the unvaccinated idiots is about as effective as calling the obese, alcoholics, people who don’t take their medication, etc, idiots. Apparently we have sympathy for people who fail to make good health choices except for the unvaccinated. Not effective at all.

> obese

Requires lifestyle change

> alcoholics

Requires lifestyle change

> people who don’t take their medication

Requires lifestyle change

> Vaccine

Requires a choice and a half day off.

There is a BIG difference there.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by moistrobot »

hef19898 wrote: post #184
Ambolia wrote: post #138

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Seems more an acknowledgement that zero-Covid is never ever going to happen. At which point not sure if vaccinating outside of risk populations or to control hospitalizations if they are too high makes any sense.

If zero-covid doesn't work (it won't IMHO), necessary immunisation levels can be reached either by a) have enough people vaccinated or b) have enough people infected Not sure why people come to the conclussion option b) would be a good idea...

If zero-covid doesn't work, then necessary immunization levels can't be reached. It's endemic. Everyone will get it at one point or another.

It's now just a risk management question for individuals

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by mrrv »

refurb wrote: post #218
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant Friend’s mother visiting from Jamaica. People in her country are dying while they wait for first shots. The voluntarily unvaccinated in America are idiots. The author’s point is there are billions of unvoluntarily unvaccinated around the world to whom these doses could go.

Calling the unvaccinated idiots is about as effective as calling the obese, alcoholics, people who don’t take their medication, etc, idiots. Apparently we have sympathy for people who fail to make good health choices except for the unvaccinated. Not effective at all.

The unvaccinated are putting others at risk, including kids. I can't say the same about the obese or people who don't take their medication.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by spywaregorilla »

refurb wrote: post #218
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant Friend’s mother visiting from Jamaica. People in her country are dying while they wait for first shots. The voluntarily unvaccinated in America are idiots. The author’s point is there are billions of unvoluntarily unvaccinated around the world to whom these doses could go.

Calling the unvaccinated idiots is about as effective as calling the obese, alcoholics, people who don’t take their medication, etc, idiots. Apparently we have sympathy for people who fail to make good health choices except for the unvaccinated. Not effective at all.

If someone were struggling with alcoholism, and I offered them an FDA approved shot to remove their addiction to alcohol, I would consider them fairly stupid if they refused it. Handling diseases and addictions is a long term struggle, not similar to a one time choice at all. It is orders of magnitude easier to get a covid shot than to rid yourself of an addiction.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by rangerdan »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #213
thesis wrote: post #187

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Yikes. Idiots? All this condescension all the time. Maybe some people won’t get the vaccine because they already had Covid. Israeli study showed that people who had Covid are more protected than the vaccinated.

I’m not sure what else you would call someone with such a skewed risk assessment that they think taking a vaccine that has proven to be incredibly safe and effective, provided free of charge, isn’t worth their time. Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19. We have a much better idea with the vaccines. Even more, studies suggest that unvaccinate…

"Safe and effective" yet we don't even have a full year of data on it. How are people this clueless?

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by Kevin_S »

bedhead wrote: post #190
delecti wrote: post #164

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> Considering the head start they had on most of the world and the vaccine supplies this can't be described as anything other than a complete and utter failure on all levels. That's probably why the GP comment described it as "their"(our) maximum vaccination percentage. The vaccine and virus have both been politicized too much, and too many people are obstinately refusing it as a result.

It feels like more and more people whom I would consider very partisan (either side) simply act out of spite nowadays. Whatever the other side wants, well, we're just going to unconditionally fight it. You saw this accelerate after Trump won with "Resist", an ethos that literally means to defy regardless of circumstances. And now you see the right's version of "Resist" by avoiding vaccinations. Why? Because screw the…

It's pretty insane to read "both sides" at this point.

The idea that democrats and republicans are equal in this way is absurd.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by spywaregorilla »

bwship wrote: post #221
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant Friend’s mother visiting from Jamaica. People in her country are dying while they wait for first shots. The voluntarily unvaccinated in America are idiots. The author’s point is there are billions of unvoluntarily unvaccinated around the world to whom these doses could go.

Anecdotally, I decided not to get the vaccine. Three weeks ago, my friend who had gotten the vaccine got Covid, and then gave it to me. (He also beat me in golf that day which says a lot more about my golf than his ability to play while sick). But anyway, we both lost our sense of taste and smell, had fevers, were achy, him up until about a week ago, me up until a couple of days ago. So, perhaps he would have had an…

I roll a six sided die. You roll a 20 sided die. We both get a 4. I guess they're the same.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by odessacubbage »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147
mchusma wrote: post #139

The whole booster conversation seems like a political game. If you have a vaccine, then your risk of death is far below that of the flu (statistically). If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant. Kids are banned from taking anything. So I expect booster or no booster, frankly it just won't matter much at the population scale. I also don't understand the mas…

> If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant Friend’s mother visiting from Jamaica. People in her country are dying while they wait for first shots. The voluntarily unvaccinated in America are idiots. The author’s point is there are billions of unvoluntarily unvaccinated around the world to whom these doses could go.

please give '''my''' shot to a high risk person in jamaica or iran or brazil. i don't need it, they do.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by bwship »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #237
bwship wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, I decided not to get the vaccine. Three weeks ago, my friend who had gotten the vaccine got Covid, and then gave it to me. (He also beat me in golf that day which says a lot more about my golf than his ability to play while sick). But anyway, we both lost our sense of taste and smell, had fevers, were achy, him up until about a week ago, me up until a couple of days ago. So, perhaps he would have had an…

I roll a six sided die. You roll a 20 sided die. We both get a 4. I guess they're the same.

My dice used my immune system. Yours used whatever the f they decided to inject into you. Looks like I won!

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by octopoc »

mattwad wrote: post #216
mchusma wrote: post #139

The whole booster conversation seems like a political game. If you have a vaccine, then your risk of death is far below that of the flu (statistically). If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant. Kids are banned from taking anything. So I expect booster or no booster, frankly it just won't matter much at the population scale. I also don't understand the mas…

The reason for masks always has been to flatten the curve. The hospitals are too full for everyone just to get it and get it over with, so people without COVID can't get medical help. Right now, the CDC recommends everyone older than 2 years old should wear a mask indoors. This is not just to protect kids but prevent them spreading it. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si... .

There are tons of people coming into the hospitals in my part of the US who are completely asymptomatic but panicking. The solution to this isn't for everyone to wear masks, the solution is for the hospitals to redirect those people to their primary care physicians.
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