Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:48 PM UTC

hellbannedguy wrote: post #224

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #156

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> hospital beds are overrun with unvaccinated Covid patients, there is less room for others Was in Jackson Hole for Labor Day weekend. They border Idaho, whose voluntarily unvaccinated have filled its hospitals. In four days I met as many nurses and one doctor who quit out of frustration. They could no longer empathise with their patients, each describing a visceral anger at tending to ICUs of COVID patients, all unv…

I don't understand their frustration. There's not much they can do for a patient once that patient is admitted to the ICU. Hospitals should have been setting up Covid wards, or tents. The hospital had enough time. Other than intubation there's not much. I guess if you are important enough you get those coveted antibodies that were donated, or blood thinning drugs if you have blood clots in your lungs. I've never met…

Post by _ea1k » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:49 PM UTC

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Most of those people don't actually know they had COVID. They make up stories that "they've already had it". Remember that vaccinated still get COVID, those numbers include them.

What evidence do you have for your claim? An anecdote or two from your own life? How is that any more scientific than what you claim to be decrying? In the U.S. at least, there is a mass testing regime that many must submit to for work, school, etc. Are you suggesting those who have tested positive in these situations are "making up stories"?

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:50 PM UTC

mr_overalls wrote: post #269

nafix wrote: post #206

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It's highly ignorant to call unvaccinated Americans idiots. Over 100 million Americans have already caught and recovered from Covid. I imagine many in that group don't see any value in getting the vaccine (rightfully so).

Choosing to risk catching a disease with a 1-2% case fatality rate, while refusing an overwhelmingly safe and effective vaccine is the definition of idiocy.

Post by xboxnolifes » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:52 PM UTC

marricks wrote: post #283

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> If you have a vaccine, then your risk of death is far below that of the flu (statistically). That seems worth checking. US flu deaths per year over the last 10 years ranged from 12000 to 61000, averaging 35900 [1]. That's 3.7 to 18.6 per 100k, averaging 10.9 per 100k. Weekly COVID deaths among vaccinated people is 0.1 per 100k [2]. The flu season is typically about 8 months. A weekly death rate of 0.1 per 100k over…

> The flu season is typically about 8 months. A weekly death rate of 0.1 per 100k over 8 months would be 3.5 per 100k. That's still depressingly high, and the 0.1 rate doesn't is before July 17th, so wouldn't really account for the Delta variant? COVID is no joke.

Post by _ea1k » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:52 PM UTC

belltaco wrote: post #176

Ambolia wrote: post #138

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Seems more an acknowledgement that zero-Covid is never ever going to happen. At which point not sure if vaccinating outside of risk populations or to control hospitalizations if they are too high makes any sense.

That's like saying back in the 70s and 80s that we cannot eliminate deaths and injuries from car accidents so it's useless to have seatbelt and air bag campaigns and laws. >outside of risk populations Depends on how you define risk, 59 children have died just in Texas from Covid so far. Risk goes up with age. Every single additional vaccination helps the situation.