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Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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> ...an even stronger indicator is that the Biden administration seems to have asked two multi-decade long FDA vaccine approval experts to resign following them authoring this report saying that the evidence didn't support the widespread use of boosters as a public health measure. What you stated did not occur. What did happen was that the FDA and CDC got into a procedural slap-fight, and because the CDC gave advice…

> - "authoring this report" they never authorized a report, that's what they were protesting. You are commenting on a HN story which is literally linking directly to the document they authored. I hope you will delete your misguided and grossly uncivil comment in the time that the site lets you do so, and consider offering another response when you've actually read the article that you're commenting on! > the FDA and…

> You are commenting on a HN story which is literally linking directly to the document they authored.

You're conflating the timeline and facts a lot. Here is what you stated happened above:

- FDA panelist published a report -> Biden admin asked them to resign -> they resigned.

Here is what actually happened:

- CDC published a report -> WH accepted the CDC's report -> WH signaled moving forward with boosters -> FDA panelists who never got to publish resign -> FDA panelists author review paper in The Lancet critical of boosters (what this article is about) -> [Future] FDA publish their official recommendation

The timelines are completely different (e.g. resign before Vs. after publication), what we're talking about being published is different (e.g. FDA official report Vs. Lancet review), and the whole "asked to resign" is nowhere to be seen.

> This is a false and fabricated quotation, which I did not say at any point.

You said this verbatim:

> Biden administration seems to have asked two multi-decade long FDA vaccine approval experts to resign

You haven't defended or sourced that. Want to go ahead and do that rather than acting offended by my shorthand characterization of it?

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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People who got vaccinated five or six months ago are seeing their immunity rate drop to around eighty percent. That's double the risk compared to a fresh vaccination.

Do you have a citation for that 80% number?

The Pfizer vaccine loses 6% effectiveness every two months.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vacci...

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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That's like saying back in the 70s and 80s that we cannot eliminate deaths and injuries from car accidents so it's useless to have seatbelt and air bag campaigns and laws. >outside of risk populations Depends on how you define risk, 59 children have died just in Texas from Covid so far. Risk goes up with age. Every single additional vaccination helps the situation.

> 59 children have died just in Texas from Covid so far Obviously you realize this is a controversial, at best, assertion. What's your reasoning for why John's Hopkins wasn't able to find a single pediatric death _from_ COVID-19?

Because the study you reference only looked at data from early-ish in the pandemic, doesn't cover delta-variant or anything else that happened in the past year? (It's also not that difficult to find claims from John Hopkins that deaths in children have happened, so you obviously realize that the "wasn't able to find a single pediatric death" is a controversial, at best, assertion?)

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Necessary and useful are two vastly different things. My state is throwing expired vaccine into the garbage. I'd take a booster even if it only made me five percent safer.

The meme of people sticking themselves with every needle they can get ahold of is real? I think this is a bad idea, to make this booster decision on your own. Talk to your doctor first.

I never said I was making a booster decision on my own. I said I'd be willing to accept a booster shot even if it only somewhat increased my immunity.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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The CDC has a pdf (downloadable) presentation about the data being used to decide on COVID booster vaccines: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/108332/cdc_108332_DS1.pdf

The UK government has data showing that about 2X more fully vaccinated people are dying from COVID than the unvaccinated (1,091 fully vaccinated vs. 536 vaccinated), even though the unvaccinated account for 3X more patients coming in for emergency care (6,492 fully vaccinated vs 14,319 unvaccinated) p.21: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-...

A summary and analysis of the data can be found here: https://notobiggov.medium.com/angry-about-anti-vaxxers-15a15...

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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> This is a lie. The spike protein has been shown to cause cardiovascular issues. [Citation needed]

There was an article posted on HN a few days ago indicating such: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28438315 Almost necessarily less harmful than the complete virus, but the spike protein isn’t entirely harmless it seems.

Toxicity is dose dependent. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.21.423721v2....

(of course, as with my previous comments on HN, I expect this to be downvoted and deleted. go ahead. I don't care. The truth is what it is)

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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I believe a serious issue with your “protect the unvaccinated” statement is it overlooks the amount of pressure they exert on our shared medical system. If your hospital beds are overrun with unvaccinated Covid patients, there is less room for others.

> hospital beds are overrun with unvaccinated Covid patients, there is less room for others Was in Jackson Hole for Labor Day weekend. They border Idaho, whose voluntarily unvaccinated have filled its hospitals. In four days I met as many nurses and one doctor who quit out of frustration. They could no longer empathise with their patients, each describing a visceral anger at tending to ICUs of COVID patients, all unv…

>They could no longer empathise with their patients, each describing a visceral anger at tending to ICUs of COVID patients, all unvaccinated.

Did you ask them if they treat obese people the same way?

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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The CDC has a pdf (downloadable) presentation about the data being used to decide on COVID booster vaccines: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/108332/cdc_108332_DS1.pdf The UK government has data showing that about 2X more fully vaccinated people are dying from COVID than the unvaccinated (1,091 fully vaccinated vs. 536 vaccinated), even though the unvaccinated account for 3X more patients coming in for emergency care…

But that would somewhat makes sense? Those at highest risk of Covid would be vaccinated, those at lowest risk unvaccinated.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Not sure about logistics, so. Sure it i challenging, but there are well established vaccination programms run by expierenced NOGs in developing countries already. These folks would, I guess, be really happy to take those doses and set something up. They are also rather capable of doing so. initially, that was part of the EUs over-ordering. Take those doses and give them to poorer countries. Good for public health, go…

I read that it wasn’t the logistics of sending them out that’s challenging; rather it’s trying to collect them back from the 100k+ pharmacies, hospitals, distribution sites etc in the US, most with poor records. The us mounted such a large and effective campaign to get them out there, would take just almost as large an effort to bring them back

True, that is a a challenge, I didn't think of that... It's definitely easier to use those doses still sitting in central warehouses somewhere. Funny how demand can be off so much from estimations. I, and it seems I'm not alone with that, really did expect demand for the vaccine to be much higher than it turned out to be.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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On that page NHS seem to make a cost tradeoff for free flu vaccine since they have to pay the costs. From the CDC >Who should get a flu vaccine this season? >Everyone 6 months and older should get a flu vaccine every season with rare exceptions. Vaccination is particularly important for people who are at higher risk of serious complications from influenza. A full listing of people at Higher Risk of Developing Flu-Rel…

> From the CDC > > Everyone 6 months and older should get a flu vaccine every season with rare exceptions According to the Nuffield Trust[0], international flu vaccination coverage varies widely. It appears from the chart the US is only reaching 65% - 70% of their over-65s with annual flu vaccine. How much does it cost to get the annual flu vaccine in the US? [0] https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/adult-flu-va…

Around here it's free and the pharmacy gives you a $5 coupon for getting it. They definitely see it as an easy way to get people through their doors.
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