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Try sativa-type cannabis with a vaporizer. Steer clear of indica-type.
Self-medication is a symptom, not a treatment.
Get a prescription, then? Cannabis is a valid medical treatment for ADHD.
Phony diagnoses hide high rates of drugging at nursing homes
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Ritalin (methylphenidate) has an effect on one type of serotonin receptors. Most physicians are unaware of this, and, indeed, many think that methylphenidate is an amphetamine derivative, which is not the case. For many people, d-amphetamine or cannabis are better treatments with less side effects.
Do mean to imply that giving a 10-year-old a few hits from a bong as part of their morning and evening routine is advisable?
Definitely not. Smoke is bad for the lungs.
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Its wild that THAT is where the line is wrt giving drugs to children, particularly in the context of giving kids incredibly powerful, schedule-class stimulants
Yes. One difference is that a number of legitimate studies have linked consumption of THC by those in certain developmental stages with functional deficits in later life (as with alcohol, and FES is definitely a thing). Of course, a rigourous scientific experiment would give definitive proof but would be unethical. Are there similar studies regarding the ADHD meds?
I suspect the kind of poorly-controlled, correlative studies done for THC would also show correlation between ADHD meds in childhood and a variety of functional problems later in life. (The known comorbities of ADHD alone should account for that.)
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> All the while I can drive 15 min and find thousands of obviously mentally ill people in need of involuntary mental health treatment. because their only avenue for detaining them is to wait until they catch them committing a crime. Let's say you were wandering the streets of a major city, looking very odd to everyone else and muttering to yourself (likely someone you'd see on a drive who is "obviously mentally ill")…
> but otherwise very happy and not breaking any laws This is obviously not the case with a sizable portion of the people wandering the streets. An ideal world is nice to theorize, but practically, there will always be type 1 and type 2 errors. Transparency and other efforts to reduce them should of course be a never ending goal, but abandoning a problem completely because it cannot be done perfectly is not a long ter…
> This is obviously not the case with a sizable portion of the people wandering the streets.
I'll bite.
Give me an example of someone who fits your definition of someone who should be forcibly taken under the wing of mental health treatment (whatever that entails) who isn't breaking any laws. Putting someone into a mental institution strips of them of all rights and requires convincing a judge to ever get out.
This logic essentially wants to "arrest" people without "arresting" them because they aren't doing anything illegal. That requires a very precise definition of the conditions under which you can do this.
Very much like a law.
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> but otherwise very happy and not breaking any laws This is obviously not the case with a sizable portion of the people wandering the streets. An ideal world is nice to theorize, but practically, there will always be type 1 and type 2 errors. Transparency and other efforts to reduce them should of course be a never ending goal, but abandoning a problem completely because it cannot be done perfectly is not a long ter…
> This is obviously not the case with a sizable portion of the people wandering the streets. I'll bite. Give me an example of someone who fits your definition of someone who should be forcibly taken under the wing of mental health treatment (whatever that entails) who isn't breaking any laws. Putting someone into a mental institution strips of them of all rights and requires convincing a judge to ever get out. This l…
> Give me an example of someone who fits your definition of someone who should be forcibly taken under the wing of mental health treatment (whatever that entails) who isn't breaking any laws.
I did not suggest involuntary committal for those not breaking laws. I wrote a sizable portion of those who need mental health treatment are breaking laws (more importantly, they are behaving in a manner that is destructive to other members of society - littering, biological hazards, fire hazards, property crime, etc). Whether it be for schizophrenia, meth and drug addiction, or some combination thereof that make involuntary mental health treatment the only option.
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#316Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Was really surprised (better word-traumatized) that one flippant casual mention of not valuing my life in a private text message was enough to to get me detained by police in a facility for a night. "Doctor" threatened me with drugging just because I refused to answer some of their questions and instead insisted on a lawyer. Funny how freedoms can…
I picked up my wife yesterday after a 72 hour hold at an in-patient center. I’m so glad that she legally had to be there. She tried to commit suicide Sunday night and spent Monday and Tuesday in the ER. It’s been a horrible week for all of us. The behavioral health place she was at was not perfect, but she would not be where she is right now if it weren’t for her having to be there. For years I have told myself that…
There's a free service called crisistextline.org that I wish more people knew about.
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This argument bothers me because it seems to devalue human life on a very fundamental level. If your children resent you for “forcing them into this world”—if they would have preferred to have never been born in the first place—that’s not a healthy or normal reaction, but rather, near-suicidal depression. Sure, some people are suicidally depressive, but that’s a very dark attitude to project onto one’s hypothetical c…
> if they would have preferred to have never been born in the first place—that’s not a healthy or normal reaction, but rather, near-suicidal depression This is a common misconception, and completely incorrect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism . This is a possible valid philosophical judgment that implies nothing about depression.
No, it’s a cognitive distortion associated with depression that some people have rationalized into a philosophical judgment, because it’s easier for some people to do that than to actually address the level of depression and misanthropy that they suffer from.
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In my case, it "worked" by making me far more anxious of failure and the judgement of others. For 8 years. I had never previously had suicidal thoughts but I did less than a year after starting the "meds." Then I got in trouble for discussing suicide with another student. The whole situation is more hellishly dystopian than a grimdark fiction writer could imagine. It's no mystery why gen Z are often aggressive doomer…
Ritalin (methylphenidate) has an effect on one type of serotonin receptors. Most physicians are unaware of this, and, indeed, many think that methylphenidate is an amphetamine derivative, which is not the case. For many people, d-amphetamine or cannabis are better treatments with less side effects.
Yes, I smoked weed for about 10 years after, partially because it was nice to relax for once even if it made me really dumb while high, and partially because "my brain is already ruined by drugs, what does it even matter at this point?"
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I can't possibly imagine how trauma, torture and debt can at all help with suicidal ideation. It sounds barbaric.
I don't think torture is a remotely accurate description of psychiatric care. How do you think they treat people with suicidal ideation? Tie them down with chains, stuff a sock in their mouth, beat them with whips, and inject them with deliriants? Seriously dude... You get a room that looks like a normal hospital room. You have the choice to take antidepressants or not. You do group and individual therapy for a coupl…
I'm mostly referring to what comments like this[1] one sound like. They may be lies or they may be isolated cases in specific states or counties, but it's not at all the first time I've read such accounts. Grain of salt since it's the internet of course.
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Gentle reminder that in the good old times of beatings, these kids were more likely to end up in jails, being violent, more likely to end up addicted to drugs and so on. Not that current time is perfect, but statistically it has better results.
Better for what ? Suicide rates in young population are going up for example. But even so - if your only goal is to prevent negative outcomes might as well put everyone in a coma and tube feed them - bound to get 0% crime, violence, addiction. Hard to judge quantitatively - but TBH as fucked up as my childhood was I wouldn't want to grow up in the modern system and working with the zoomer generation I'm not impressed…
You would had to really show more for me to believe the suicide rates go up because kids are not beaten enough. Extraordinary claim requires some proof.
> if your only goal is to prevent negative outcomes might as well put everyone in a coma and tube feed them - bound to get 0% crime, violence, addiction.
This is fairly absurd jump.
Also, beating kids into obeisance makes them more likely to beat others onto obeisance. Which has no repercussions if against a kid, but has large ones if against adults. And even if not physical, leads to bullies. The more authority they get, the more coercive bullying happen.