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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tommymachine »

_drimzy wrote: post #413
tommymachine wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be interesting to see the numbers on being overweight vs vaccinated, and seeing which is more correlated with covid severity.

So you are going on and on about a hypothesis without any backing numbers, while completely ignoring provided evidence on how the unvaccinated is more likely to end up in ICUs? Get off your high horse and do your fucking part. People are dying of Covid19, and a lot of people who survive end up with permanent disabilites, while you engage in mental gymnastics with your hypotheticals!

Apparently writing one sentence is now "going on and on".

It's not mental gymnastics to point out the information overload on one side of this issue, which makes absolutely no medical or scientific sense, yet makes a ton of profit "cents".

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tommymachine »

_drimzy wrote: post #413
tommymachine wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be interesting to see the numbers on being overweight vs vaccinated, and seeing which is more correlated with covid severity.

So you are going on and on about a hypothesis without any backing numbers, while completely ignoring provided evidence on how the unvaccinated is more likely to end up in ICUs? Get off your high horse and do your fucking part. People are dying of Covid19, and a lot of people who survive end up with permanent disabilites, while you engage in mental gymnastics with your hypotheticals!

I've already done my part by contracting and beating the virus you're deathly afraid of. I have more powerful immunity than anyone who's taken any of those shots. I don't have to ponder about the numbers on that one.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by chitowneats »

nautilius wrote: post #387
rkk3 wrote: post #243

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>Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life No, they inflict massive negative externalities on society through healthcare. > while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people. Classic Safety-ism. Even today, 20 years after 9/11 and we are still paying a ludicrous price for this logic.

The ludicrous and horrible price - of wearing masks? You have a twisted logic, comparing terror attacks and follow-up global wars to the horrors you must be going through, masking up (or not) for the grocery store.

Some of us don't mask "just to go to the grocery store". That's HN software engineer privilege, 100%.

Many people, including little children, are expected to wear these masks 8 hours a day.

You have no idea what damage you are causing for the lower classes, the less fortunate, and American public school children.

Nor do you understand the effect this has had on the campaign for mass vaccination.

I can assure you this is significant. Minority enclaves in my city (Chicago), largely regard masks as "white people bullshit". I work in these communities.

It's not a stretch to see why they apply that same logic to vaccine mandates (even if the vaccines would be beneficial for most of their community).

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tommymachine »

_drimzy wrote: post #413
tommymachine wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be interesting to see the numbers on being overweight vs vaccinated, and seeing which is more correlated with covid severity.

So you are going on and on about a hypothesis without any backing numbers, while completely ignoring provided evidence on how the unvaccinated is more likely to end up in ICUs? Get off your high horse and do your fucking part. People are dying of Covid19, and a lot of people who survive end up with permanent disabilites, while you engage in mental gymnastics with your hypotheticals!

Guess I'll just get off of my high horse and make sure big Pharma gets paid by the taxpayer for something that not only do I not need, but would weaken the immunity that I have.

The state of the world is obvious from the activity on this forum. If these are supposed to be "intelligent hackers" here, god help the human race.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by shadowgovt »

refenestrator wrote: post #380
maybelsyrup wrote: post #224

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Never forget: the CIA, at the highest levels, knew that two of the 9/11 hijackers had multiple-entry visas to the US and were living in the country in the year before the attacks. They knew they were al-Qaeda, and they knew they were important enough to have been at a big AQ powwow in Kuala Lumpur in 2000. CIA management prevented this information from being disseminated by FBI agents posted inside "Alec Station", th…

I'm with you on being outraged, but organizational dysfunction is the norm and not reigning it in is one way of "dropping the ball". There wasn't, like, one single person who had all this information and he was personally stopped by the head of the CIA from telling the executive branch. It was a SNAFU of competing interests and stupid bureaucracy. The fact that these people were promoted afterwards, however.. yeah, m…

And perhaps most disquieting, the rectification for the SNAFUs was to consolidate these organizations, breaking down the walls that traditionally separated domestic policing from international espionage.

And I can't even say they were wrong. I don't have better answers. The threat model is a porous-border threat.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by shadowgovt »

mlcrypto wrote: post #86
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?

Al-Qaeda actually gamed out this aspect of the American response and concluded (apparently correctly) that the US was ill-prepared for a multi-hijacking scenario. This wasn't rocket science... They basically looked at all available information on threat modeling the US had done, and noticed that we had constrained ourselves to a single hijacking event. They correctly surmised that intelligence infrastructure (including NORAD) would be off of their playbook if they hijacked multiple planes at once.

This led to disruption of the response. When flight 77 (Pentagon plane) was reported as having dropped off of the transponder radios, by the time NORAD was notified the information had become garbled in a game of telephone and they thought they were receiving reports on flight 11, which is one of the two that struck the Trade Center towers. They scrambled jets to New Jersey instead of onto any predicted flight path for flight 77.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by O5vYtytb »

atdrummond wrote: post #409
bradknowles wrote: post #267

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When the towers were first built, one of the design questions was whether or not they could survive being hit by a 747 — on accident, presumably. So, that issue was taken into consideration. At the time of the attack, more modern aircraft were used, which had much thinner skins and were much more lightly constructed. Which means that they got much more shredded by the building construction as they passed through, and…

The two towers were designed to sustain an accidental hit by a 707 on a descent trajectory. They were instead purposely hit by much larger 747s and at a much higher cruising speed. This meant that the kinetic energy transfer was approximately 8x larger than expected. The 747s at the time of impact also held significantly more fuel (at least 100% more) than those utilised in the 707 attack model.

they were not hit by 747s

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by kelnos »

burgerzzz wrote: post #411
kelnos wrote: post #398

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Given that the vast majority of COVID hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated, yes, I would say that people who refuse the vaccine are devoid of critical thinking skills.

Given that they have chosen that destiny willingly for themselves, what's wrong with that? I personally feel it's a bit more nuanced of a decision then you're allowing. What do the vaccinated care? Why does this unvaxxed life matter to them all of a sudden when they've had plenty of opportunities to care about life before but haven't?

I don't particularly care about the health of the people who refuse to take common-sense actions to protect themselves. But their decision isn't made in isolation.

The more the virus bounces around in people, and for longer, the higher the chance it is that it mutates into something the vaccines won't be effective against.

There are people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. They should not be put at higher risk of having the virus transmitted to them by an unvaccinated person.

There are still enough unvaccinated people floating around to necessitate mask and distancing mandates and other restrictions. Getting everyone vaccinated will likely allow us to return to some semblance of normal sooner.

And finally we have a world full of overworked, exhausted health care workers who still have to admit these foolish unvaccinated people into their hospitals when they get sick. They have to watch some of them die, begging for the vaccine even though it's too late. Why are unvaccinated people inflicting this harm on our doctors and nurses?

The thing that gets me about all this is the whole "they've chosen this destiny for themselves" bit, as if their decisions don't impact anyone else. They do. And it's selfish to ignore that.

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