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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by unanswered »

TOMDM wrote: post #937
iammisc wrote: post #914

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When it first came out, the data made the vax an obviously net positive. Given what we now know about cases amongst the vaccinated and how they can spread it... It's no longer an obvious positive. The vax has made covid more pervasive because of bad data at the beginning.

I could maybe buy people being lax about masks and social distancing because of the vaccine, but surely you don't think the vaccine itself has made the virus more pervasive?

If the vaccine actually prevents getting sick enough to notice, then it means a bunch of vaccinated virus carriers are wandering around in public. Whereas if they were unvaccinated, then by the popular theory that unvaccinated people get very sick from this virus, they would know to stay home.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by propogandist »

scohesc wrote: post #909
maxlybbert wrote: post #157

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Side effects from vaccines are rare, but do occasionally happen. Because of the small risk, there’s a government program to pay money to anybody who suffers a serious side effect from taking a vaccine in exchange for granting legal immunity to vaccine producers ( https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html ). So, to answer your question, schools don’t literally require legal immunity themselves, but they do…

1) How do you prove it was the vaccine that caused your side effects? You can't. It's not provable in court because "my legs went numb a day or two after I got the jab" isn't exactly concrete evidence. 2) No company should have their liability removed for any reason, especially by the government. This thinking was partly why the 2008 recession happened. I don't want the government taking on the liability of a multi-b…

> $236,002,232.51 -- 2021

> $217,890,161.54 -- 2021

how much the vaccine injury program has paid out to claimants in the respective FY [1] -- subsidized by our tax dollars on behalf of big pharma, of-course.

Since 1989, it seems the US govt program has paid out $4,667,496,451 to individuals and attorneys who have sued based on side-effects of vaccines

[1] https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compen...

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by landemva »

steverb wrote: post #959
landemva wrote: post #945

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Most of those examples do not apply to persons who are not engaged in commerce. 21+ to buy products should be 18. At some age children become adults. Study the personal income tax and you will find it is primarily enforced through your employer. If each of us had to save and write a check there would be little compliance. For non-commercial property, if the property is not cataloged by county assessor, it doesn't get…

Driver's Licenses and the need to show ID and submit to a search certainly do apply. I and a lot of people do have to save a write a check (I pre-pay estimated actually). You do not want to get on the wrong side of the IRS.

Did government go to your door and make you sign the contract of non-commercial driver license? Or did you go to a government office and volunteer? This was litigated at USSC decades ago.

Federal personal income tax does generally apply to federal government employees. When a non-govt employer withholds from your paycheck it does become difficult to then get out of volunteering to pay.

Are you a commercial driver and also federal employee? Or like most people do you shuffle in to the lines to voluntarily contribute?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by captainredbeard »

thehappypm wrote: post #220
captainredbeard wrote: post #28

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How much pro-social good is required to force me to take a medical treatment I do not consent to?

Non-zero. If COVID had a 100% death rate and was contagious like COVID we’d be vaccinating everyone against their will.

Such efforts would likely grind to a halt after the first several waves of vaccination crew member killings. There are a lot of unhinged people out there and forced vaccination crosses a red line.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by captainredbeard »

paulcole wrote: post #162
captainredbeard wrote: post #11

Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

If you’re not scared of dying of the virus, why not just get the vaccine? Surely you’re less scared of a vaccine than dying since the numbers are vastly on your side?

Because I am a free man and I make my own decisions. I don't benefit from the vaccine enough to want it of my own volition therefore I don't care how much pressure is placed on me, it comes down to my own math. The virus and vaccine are not a factor.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by op00to »

xupybd wrote: post #940
op00to wrote: post #783

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Great point, thank you for letting me know a hard hat isn't a medical procedure. If my aunt had wheels, she'd be a tea cart. I'm sure I can find someone who died BECAUSE they were wearing protective head PPE - a hat strap got caught and strangled them, whatever. The more important point that you ignore is people are horrible at weighing relative risk. You're obviously intelligent and aware of the biases inherent in j…

I don't think people shouldn't be educated and encouraged to get this vaccine. I don't think the government should stay out of that. I believe these are coercive tactics and the government should avoid coercion at all costs.

Right. What you want is anarchy.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

moistrobot wrote: post #833
kbos87 wrote: post #754

The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water here. I think we can look at the facts - 700,000 people dead, hos…

> The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. This is by design. We don't want a strong federal government. > The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water…

I believe you are misinterpreting that data. 5% of COVID deaths listed COVID as the only cause. The other 95% list additional causes. In some cases, those are pre-existing conditions like "hypertensive diseases" or "diabetes", but not all of them are. Some of the most common causes are things like "influenza and pneumonia", "respiratory failure" and "cardiac arrest".

Pneumonia, respiratory failure and cardiac arrest are symptoms of COVID. They aren't pre-existing conditions that make COVID worse. They are just more specific explanations about the exact mechanism by which COVID killed the person.

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Post by dimator »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #970
dimator wrote: post #933

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> Aren't unvaccinated individuals the ones who made this decision? You may disagree with the conclusion of their dubious risk analyses, but if you choose not to get vaccinated then all bets are off. This is the crux of it. They've made the decision, but when they fill up ICU beds and prevent sick or injured people from getting the quality of care that hospitals can provide, then their decision affects others (and thi…

If that's really the issue (it's not), then this can be addressed far more directly, by penalizing the unvaccinated when allocating ICU beds during shortages. But please be consistent and also penalize those who deliberately engage in other actions that put them at risk of needing medical care, like the obese, or those who abuse drugs and alcohol. What bothers me is the inconsistency. It's opportunistically seizing o…

Sexual promiscuity does not clog up hospitals. Speeding motorists do not clog up hospitals. Obese people do not clog up hospitals. Covid patients disproportionately clog up ICUs. Surely you see that difference?

If our health safety net (hospitals) were not being affected, then yes, covid promiscuity would be treated identically to any of the above. There's principles here that you don't want to acknowledge.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by zhdc1 »

unanswered wrote: post #567
zhdc1 wrote: post #453

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> There is no logical thinking in their thesis, and every critique is based on the rebuttal of statistics, numbers, and data-based decision making The worst part is that the data on almost every part of the pandemic is freely available online and updated daily. For instance, the odds of getting myocarditis from the Pfizer vaccine is something like 1:125000. This is significantly less than the risk of child having a s…

Your numbers are being used to lie: You only have to get the MMR vaccine once. But you'll have to get the covid vaccines over and over and over. Just four covid jabs would make these events equally likely. But it's most likely that more than four will be required.

> Your numbers are being used to lie: You only have to get the MMR vaccine once.

Children generally receive two MMR shots. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by SiempreViernes »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #764
SiempreViernes wrote: post #413

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If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. It was not a conflict where two somewhat equal partners work out their difficulties, it was a war where the central government fought down an insurrection and during witch the south got utterly devastated and was under occupation for 10 years.

I’m sure that’s the view from white southerners. The view from black southerners would be a little different. It’s like the folks who are all nostalgic about the 50s. Sure, they were great if you were a straight cis white man. Not so much if you were gay or trans or black.

I'm not sure what you are disputing, are you saying the civil war was an act of gentle persuasion?
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