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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by angelzen »

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #905
angelzen wrote: post #902

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Vaccine protection seems to substantially diminish over time / virus evolution. Israel is boosting with third shot. UK August data shows same rate of infection vax/unvax for over 40s, and only half reduction in infection rate for under 40s. (Yeah, I know, severe infection protection is much better, so far). Pfizer CEO is on-record concerned about vaccine escape and ready to prepare new jabs on a 3 month notice. Covid…

> I do not see any long term way out of covid pandemic other than natural immunity. We get annual boosters for many viruses. If you’re really hell bent on getting covid, your likelihood of severe illness is 10x less with at least one dose of the vaccine, and your immunity will be higher than infection alone. The messaging that natural immunity is the only way out, and that getting the virus is somehow ‘better’ than t…

There are no mandatory annual shots.

Tired of personalization of the disease. I'm not 'hell bent' to do anything. Covid is endemic, there is no herd immunity. The only question is how to manage the severity of the disease, for all the infection events to occur in the long run. I'm vaccinated and keep an eye on https://www.novavax.com/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-candida.... Or do I need to tattoo 'Pfizer' on my forehead to be allowed to participate in society?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by scohesc »

slavboj wrote: post #883
rualca wrote: post #841

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> Are we really going to bother digging up the copious video evidence this is a lie? It seems you're either a bit confused or you didn't bothered to even watch the very same video you posted. I watched the video and nowhere in it does anyone promise anything about infections magically go away. In fact, the infection disease specialist in the video says quite clearly that the observed reduction in spread was around 60…

Did you read the headline? "No one ever claimed this" except for literally thousands of journalists and government spokesmodels.

Don't worry, it's "safe and effective!"

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by iammisc »

TOMDM wrote: post #283
pibechorro wrote: post #176

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goal posts keep moving to fit the agenda of handing a select few billions of dollars at our expense.

Unless you mean a very literal "at our expense" as in dollars paid for a highly effective vaccine, are you implying that the vaccine has been a net negative?

When it first came out, the data made the vax an obviously net positive. Given what we now know about cases amongst the vaccinated and how they can spread it... It's no longer an obvious positive. The vax has made covid more pervasive because of bad data at the beginning.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

angelzen wrote: post #911
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #905

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do not see any long term way out of covid pandemic other than natural immunity. We get annual boosters for many viruses. If you’re really hell bent on getting covid, your likelihood of severe illness is 10x less with at least one dose of the vaccine, and your immunity will be higher than infection alone. The messaging that natural immunity is the only way out, and that getting the virus is somehow ‘better’ than t…

There are no mandatory annual shots. Tired of personalization of the disease. I'm not 'hell bent' to do anything. Covid is endemic, there is no herd immunity. The only question is how to manage the severity of the disease, for all the infection events to occur in the long run. I'm vaccinated and keep an eye on https://www.novavax.com/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-candida... . Or do I need to tattoo 'Pfizer' on my fore…

The vaccines are remarkably effective against death and severe disease on all timescales measured. What appears to decline is sterilizing immunity, meaning after 6-8months you may show symptoms if infected. It is unlikely boosters will be mandated for all.

And to be clear, this vaccine denial is a uniquely American problem. In Denmark over 80% of the eligible population is voluntarily vaccinated. They are now able to do away with virtually all Covid restrictions.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

charwalker wrote: post #870
TechBro8615 wrote: post #712

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Well, one side is contained in a limited number of cities…

And make up some 70% of the economy with Democrat voting counties leading the way: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-repu... 70:30 or more than 2x the GDP generated in blue counties should put the right on notice. Maybe there are wealthy folks in the blue counties that put their cash toward the GOP but it will not sustain them.

I’m not sure how much of that economy would matter in a war time scenario. Most of the industrial factories are outside cities. More sprawling cities like Houston would be a lot more independent than an island like Manhattan, which has only a handful of bridges as land entrances and hardly any heavy industry of its own.

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Post by ifonly321 »

moistrobot wrote: post #833
kbos87 wrote: post #754

The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water here. I think we can look at the facts - 700,000 people dead, hos…

> The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. This is by design. We don't want a strong federal government. > The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water…

Medicine is concerned with treatments that work.

It’s been pretty convulsively proven that effectively 100% of the population will not lose weight TO SAVE THEIR LIVES.

Whereas, you can give someone the vaccination and it makes an immediate and sustained reduction of risk.

But yeah, let’s hear about how you’re going to solve it with a bit of sunshine on the asshole and some vitamins, there Pepper Pots.

If anything, this is a severe under-reaction based on the federal governments own fucking pandemic playbook from before the pandemic.

But yeah, vitamins and sunlight. Sure.

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Post by Madmallard »

sauwan wrote: post #809
Madmallard wrote: post #795

Why should people with natural immunity after having contracted covid be required to be vaccinated? That doesn't make sense. They have better immunity than the vaccinated. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

How do you prove you have natural immunity? Because it's not always clear whether you have natural immunity, even with bloodwork. Is it antibodies, t-cells, or some other mechanism that's providing immunity? What if we test for one thing and are wrong? The immune system is a complex thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU7uBmLUiiY

I'm assuming it's not that difficult.

edit: besides you can just show a past test that said you were positive for covid

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Post by furgooswft13 »

thenanyu wrote: post #907
coryfklein wrote: post #899

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Would you advocate for government mandates on everyone else for your sole benefit? Or do you feel that you're a representative sample of the high-risk group?

There are many government mandates for the benefit of disabled people. We generally think this is ok.

Which of those mandates require other people to lose their jobs for not getting a chemical injection?

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Post by nanis »

thenanyu wrote: post #907
coryfklein wrote: post #899

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Would you advocate for government mandates on everyone else for your sole benefit? Or do you feel that you're a representative sample of the high-risk group?

There are many government mandates for the benefit of disabled people. We generally think this is ok.

Yes there are ... You have established that a greater than zero consideration for the people with disabilities exists and that is great.

The question is whether there is a what is the greatest cost you are willing to impose on everyone to provide a small benefit to some specific people.

And, no, you don't get to claim children will do just fine going without face to face contact with other children their age for years for some nonquantifiable benefit that might or might not accrue to a person at risk.

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