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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by ls612 »

rebuilder wrote: post #121
telesilla wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's wait a while. The long term effects of the pandemic are yet to set in.

I see your point, but I have a hard time imagining how, 20 years down the line, we could point to the SARS-COV2 pandemic as a principal cause of historic change the way the 9/11 attacks were. Contributing factor? Sure, I'm sure it'll have all kinds of downstream effects.

Imagine masks, distancing restrictions, etc becoming the knee jerk response every year there’s a bad flu scare or something like the Ebola cases in 2014 happens. This pandemic will be remembered not for the virus but for the massive and permanent social changes it brought to the west.

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Post by rtkwe »

542458 wrote: post #107
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

You'd be more likely to damage enough of the cooling and control systems to cause an issue but it most likely wouldn't lead to a meltdown since Indian Point was a PWR reactor and those use the liquid water as a moderator so if it starts to overheat it naturally lowers it's own reactivity.

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Post by skytreader »

At the risk of diluting the discussion here, do we know where they got the "TV Tuner" footage? I've been tuned to a channel with "WJLA" at the upper left (I think, aka "ABC 7"---I don't know I'm not American) for some time now; it started with a clip that is related to the 9/11 attacks but after heaps of ads I'm now watching relatively mundane news (traffic and weather updates, anyone?).

On one hand it's just impressive to me that they have this footage and it made my curiosity itch. On the other hand, a project like this can only gain from having verifiable sources. So do we know how/where they got all these footage?

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Post by [deleted] »

leesalminen wrote: post #29

9/11 was my birthday, and I was just outside of NYC in school that day. I was in math class. The phone in the classroom rang and my teacher turned on the radio (1010 WINS) immediately. After hearing what had happened she broke down in tears because her husband worked in WTC. My parents worked in NYC (as did most of my classmates' parents) and was very concerned. The school district evacuated the elementary schools to…

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Post by maybelsyrup »

yyyk wrote: post #209
hutzlibu wrote: post #177

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And maybe do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far. Innocent bystanders, whose relatives now might feel a urge to join the real terrorists as the only means for them to get revenge, too. Endless cycle. "War on terror" is just a ugly concept and not one that seem to work. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/911-civili... Oh and something that does not get too much atten…

>do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far. Most of them killed by the same people the US targeted. Funny how all responsibility is always given to the West even when the people doing the killing are their enemies. >the taliban back then only refused to hand over Bin Laden without evidence presented Also after he publicly confessed, not to mention his previous crimes. Their refusal h…

> Funny how all responsibility is always given to the West even when the people doing the killing are their enemies.

It's barely ever given to the west, and never in major media. And when someone in an anonymous internet comment dares suggest we might be morally accountable for vast amounts of innocent deaths - a trifle of a blip of a nothing in the discourse - we can count on certain people getting their feewings hurt and becoming overly defensive. "I'm always being accused!" cried Tony Soprano.

> No one knows with certainty how many people have been killed and wounded in Iraq since the 2003 United States invasion. However, we know that between 184,382 and 207,156 civilians have died from direct war related violence caused by the U.S., its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces from the time of the invasion through October 2019. [1]

[1] https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/ir...

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Post by teawrecks »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #148
teawrecks wrote: post #112

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I believe a lot of the phenomena we see today, rampant conspiracies, misinformation, distrust in govt, political divisiveness, willingness to support a demagogue, rise in nationalism and domestic terrorism, can all be linked back to 9/11. The goal of the attack was to strike fear into the hearts of Americans on a level that we simply couldn't comprehend, a lasting fear that fundamentally changes our society, a fear t…

All those things you write in the 1st paragraph, I wonder if it's 9/11 or the continued spread of Internet access. Previously if you thought the earth was flat, your friends in school or work would laugh at you. Nowadays you can google anything and find a community totally into that idea, and they are indeed communities because they'll quickly indoctrinate that the rest of society/big government/the secret elite caba…

Oh yes, definitely the internet plays a huge roll in the world we have today, probably a bigger roll than 9/11. Humanity has seen and adapted to large scale tragedies before, but this is the first time we've had the internet. But of all the variables, 9/11 is a big one in the US. It also showed the media and advertisers how much more money there was to be made from these events. Ever since 9/11 the news media has been hard at work developing new ways to milk sensationalism junkies the same way that mobile companies milk gaming addiction whales.

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Post by dillondoyle »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #196
polytely wrote: post #64

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Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life, while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2007/07/obesity-is-co... Actually there has been a lot of research showing obesity as a social virus is contagious.

Off topic, but is there any research that connects the also burgeoning science of gut biome/bacteria to this? Maybe a total crazy stretch, but if our gut bacteria can be 'infectious', and if those bacteria have an affect on weight, that'd be crazy.

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Post by rtkwe »

onion2k wrote: post #206
mlcrypto wrote: post #86

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Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?

Few people would want to make a call to shoot down two full passenger jets over a city. With hindsight it would have been the right option, but at the time it's unlikely it would have happened even if there had been fighters with missiles available.

Hijackings also weren't usually suicide missions before then either so it would have been a big leap to decide to shoot them down when you'd normally expect demands and a chance to take it out on the ground rather than just killing everyone on board.

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Post by hutzlibu »

yyyk wrote: post #209
hutzlibu wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And maybe do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far. Innocent bystanders, whose relatives now might feel a urge to join the real terrorists as the only means for them to get revenge, too. Endless cycle. "War on terror" is just a ugly concept and not one that seem to work. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/911-civili... Oh and something that does not get too much atten…

>do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far. Most of them killed by the same people the US targeted. Funny how all responsibility is always given to the West even when the people doing the killing are their enemies. >the taliban back then only refused to hand over Bin Laden without evidence presented Also after he publicly confessed, not to mention his previous crimes. Their refusal h…

"Also after he publicly confessed, not to mention his previous crimes. Their refusal had nothing to do with 'evidence'. "

Source?

Bin Laden initially declined responsibility, saying his hosts the taliban, would not allow such a operation.

(surely not out of being nice, but because of wanting to keep the power)

And later (after he confessed) the US was on full war with the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden not with them anymore.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by JamilD »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #159
JamilD wrote: post #108

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Not quite an answer to your question, but in the 60s and 70s hijackings were quite common (86 hijackings in 1969) and weren’t seen in the way they are now. The common understanding was that the hijackers wanted to re-route the plane somewhere else, and that everyone would end up alive but inconvenienced. It’s also one reason why only the passengers in United 93 fought back; the idea of a plane as a missile wasn’t wid…

I thought I remembered the plot to the 1996 film “executive decision” as being a debate whether to shoot the passenger jet out of the sky because the plane was going to be used as a missile, but i just read the plot again and they were going to detonate a nerve agent bomb on board the plane while over a us city, so, similar but not quite a prediction of the predicament.

I just started watching the historical footage from CNN; it's interesting to hear the commentary in between when the first and second planes hit the tower.

"Was the plane having any difficulty flying?" "Yes, it seemed to be rocking back and forth" "Was this a navigational error?"

An announcement in the South Tower immediately after the crash instructed people to stay in their offices.

Even after the second tower was hit, the immediate reaction was that it was a second explosion in the North Tower caused by the fuselage of the plane.

4 minutes after the second plane hit, when it was clear that two planes were involved: "was it possible a navigational error directed two planes into the World Trade Center?"

It's incredible to think just how much our attitude and perspectives changed after realizing what exactly had happened.

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